Because no-one is better than anyone else. :rolleyes: We're all humans, even celebs, surprisingly enough.
For one person to get fastracked for something that would moreso benefit others just because of their status is ridiculous and such a pathetic policy.

you may think that the whole world revolves around your country...but i'm afraid it doesn't....shilpa has over a 100 million fans

Gah, not this whole argument again. I wish everyone would stop saying the UK thinks the world revolves around them :bored: BB is shown in the UK - and a very high percentage of the viewers were unaware of Shilpa and her status. :rolleyes: A lot of people knew who she was (including myself) - but just because some didn't know who she was doesn't mean they think the world revolves around "our country". :conf2:

Shilpa got bullied. Had her accent mocked. Had he cultural beliefs questioned. Had her countrys' way of doing things questioned/ridiculed. Had racial jibes made at her. You are right, she didn't endure anything that could possibly scar her.
It got slapped with the racist stamp by nearly 50,000 people. and not all of them asian too, that speaks volumes.
Hey cool rolley eyes, whats that for?


Mansi I suggest you leave it, you don't know know what your barking with. Say good day and end it sister :dance2:

Jade's accent was also mocked? (I'm not a Jade fan, just making a point).

Sorry, the rolley eyes made me look sarcastic/rude - I didn't mean it like that, I was just trying to show how in comparison to past HM's she hasn't endured much more than them.

jade has a heavy british accent, even I couldn't understand what the hell she was saying, as well as dirk, shilpa....well big brother would have been axed if it weren't for shilpa making staments saying that jade and the gang weren't racist.

how was her accent mocked?

Shilpa said she couldn't understand it then did an imitation of her. Dirk also did the same thing. It was also said that she can't speak proper English.

Dirk did an impression of Danielle too. Which I have to say, was hilarious.

Jades accent was mocked in the sense of comparision. Shilpa was comparing how she and Jade say same words, but due to accent difference, it sounded different. Whereas the covens ridiculed Shilpas' accent. Shilpa even talked about this in the Diary Room and was upset about it, but as optimistic as she is, she said "Nevermind....". If they wanted to bitch about her, why not just do it in plain english???
When Shilpa couldn't take anymore of Jackiey and was complaining to Ian and Jermaine,she did it in her own natural voice/accent. It didn't sound demeaning so much, as when the girls put on the mumbai accent and were pulling her every word/action apart

Good point.

The girls were mocking while Shilpa was simply trying to compare their accents. I think it's a question of respect and the girls were not being respectful when they imitated Shilpas accent.

jade, jo, and danielle all mocked shilpa so called "accent" when she was bleaching her hair....so why didn't they mock dirk's american accent??? they were racist I don;t care what the hell they say...

It seems Mr. Vas may have more than a passing interest, not dissimilar to Lembit Opik's.

Germaine Greer actually said that there wasn't any racism involved at all.



So you're planning on voting for a self-obsessed pompous git who tries to please everyone equally yet has no policies whatsoever instead? How does that work, exactly? *Keeps fingers crossed that you live in a safe Labour constituency*


She was the perpetrator of bullying, every bit as much as she was the victim.

By H, too - is he also on the hit list?

What beliefs would they be, exactly? That it's acceptable to employ people as glorified slaves? That children should be beaten to ensure discipline?

What shouldn't be questioned about her country's 'way of doing things', exactly? That 160 million people in her country are considered 'untouchables'? That 56% of Indian girls aged 11 to 15 are anaemic? That 35 million Indian children receive no education? That over 5 million people have been diagnosed with H.I.V. / A.I.D.S. - 200,000 of them children under 15 years of age? That almost 1 million children have lost one or both parents to A.I.D.S? That 40% of Indian women can't read or write? That 40% of girls aged under 14 receive no education?

No, she didn't. But she certainly dished out more than enough blatant class bias of her own accord, that's for sure.

Which, given people's access to mobile phones as well as landlines, emails, sms messaging, a concerted campaign encouraging people to complain (a vast percentage of which had clearly never even seen the show, or even lived in the UK, for that matter) that lasted for several days, etc. was nothing more than a drop in the ocean. That, as you say, speaks volumes.

Why would Jade et al question Shilpa about all that? They wouldn't even be capable of asking those questions. And in any case Shilpa shouldn't be looked down on over those things anymore than a British housemates deserves to be looked down on for the many injustices of this country. Or the American housemates either.

I think by 'had her cultural questioned' the previous poster was referring more to Jackiey making fun of Shilpa because she wore a sari, and the disliking Shilpa for not talking about sex and things like that. That is belittling someones cultural beliefs .

Firstly, she recited her lengthy list of 'employees' while she was in the house. We all saw how uncomfortable Jade was with the task, as is the norm for most right-thinking working class people. The employment of servants is morally reprehensible, and even Jade is savvy enough to appreciate as much. And secondly, there was a conversation when Jermaine was discussing the way his father used to beat him and his siblings during their childhoods (which is also well documented elsewhere). Shilpa completely misjudged his comments, and replied as though in agreement with something that could be considered good practice, and used the awful 'spare the rod, spoil the child' adage. Those are beliefs that justify challenge from anyone. Jade and/or the others may not have been present when those particular conversations took place. But there's every possibility that they were during other, similar conversations.

Saying that they 'wouldn't be capable' is every bit as prejudiced as some would claim the three girls to have been. We only saw a snapshot, we don't know them and we don't know what they are or are not aware of. Jade certainly suggested during the more heated part of her argument that she had at least some insight into the Indian way of life. And yes, Shilpa should indeed be looked down on over those things. We all have different moral values, and greed in the face of poverty is something I'm not prepared to overlook, just because Shilpa plays the part of the dignified victim with much aplomb. Absolute poverty to such degrees doesn't exist in either Britain or America. Shilpa lives in the lap of luxury in a penthouse, with a retinue of servants waiting on her hand and foot. Meanwhile, people in her own country suffer a lifetime of state-sanctioned abuse and torment. There are literally people starving in the streets in some areas, and entire communities surviving on the pickings from rubbish dumps. To live in ignorant bliss of such social injustice and do nothing at all about it is beyond contempt.

I'm not aware of the sari comments, and wasn't even thinking of Jade's mum in relation to this thread, either. She's not one of the three scapegoats, after all. Shilpa's reaction to the conversation about sex and the losing of virginity was overblown and out of proportion. She put a spin on it that never existed, and could easily have not commented at all, or even left the room. But that side of Shilpa was soon proved to be a sham, in any case. We saw that as soon as she was asked to pose for the tabloids, and her hypocrisy when the article about her mocking black people on an Indian tv show came out, too.

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she didn't recite them, she was asked at the table...she's a celebrity so obviously she's going to have people that look after her just the way celebs have in hollywood...
she didn't say it was a good thing to beat children....they don't beat children now in india...maybe in some parts buts that's rare now....
shilpa isn't mother teresa to go around and help the underprivileged, how is it her fault that people are starving, dying from diseases?
Jackiey got away with the remarks she made about shilpa, saying how she would chase her with an Indian broom, why indian broom??? the comment about the indian shawl. she was ignorant and that came across when she couldn't pronounce shilpa's name...and kept calling shilpa by "the indian".....
she said she was a nightmare....shilpa kept quiet despite the fact that she's a celeb and jackiey is a nobody...

She still listed them, and it was still ludicrous to have so many. But when their services can be obtained so cheaply, in every sense of the word, it must be difficult not to be greedy.

That's pretty much exactly what she said. It was a clear endorsement of physically punishing children. The rest of India doesn't come into it at this point - it was her own personal endorsement.

It's not 'her fault'. But to surround yourself with wealth while your own people suffer is just plain wrong. It's the Marie Antoinette aspect that grates.

As I said in reply to James earlier in the thread, I've no intention of defending Jade's mum or her actions. That has nothing to do with the other three, who are the ones who have been singled out.

^actually it's quite common to have many there in the east, non-celebs have servants as well....when I go there, we have people that wash our clothes, drive us around and what not.... what do you want her to do, give away money? it very easy for you to say all of this but if you were in her spot you would be the same...

you can't say it's wrong to beat children just because you've grown up in the west...in the east it was common to beat as they felt it would teach children discipline...if she did happen to say that beating children is fine then there's nothing wrong with that, she was just stating her opinion...
it may seem as if there are many suffering in India in comparison to the UK, but the UK only has 60 million people whereas india has over 1 billion people...I stand correct, she can't do anything about it...infact I would say she's doing them good because there are many that are unemployed and are willing to do just about anything....she also said she doesn't treat them like servants

Erm...no it isn't prejudiced. As you yourself have said, Jo made cultural gaffes in the house. She clearly showed herself to be ignorant of Asian culture. I'm not even going to pretend that Jade might have much going on between her ears - even Jade herself would admit that she's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer ("why don't Eskimos turn into ice people?"). If any of the girls had asked for Shilpa's opinions on any of the problems in India that you listed, it would have been fair enough, and a reasonable question to ask. They didn't - they weren't even interested in her culture, except as a reason to get at her.

And if we only saw a snapshot of those girls - we only saw a snapshot of Shilpa as well. But you seem prepared to make several judgements about her.

It used to be quite common to send small children up chimneys and down coal mines, too. That doesn't make it right. Yes, I want her to give away money. Vast, enormous amounts of money. But no, I wouldn't be the same. I wouldn't even eat in a restaurant, because I don't think it's morally right to sit around while someone waits on you.

Everything is wrong with it! There's no justification to ever beat a defenceless child! I can't believe you've posted such nonsense. The size of the population isn't the point, it's the unequal distribution of wealth that's the problem. Of course not everyone in Britain is rolling around in cash. But nobody is literally starving to death or scavenging on rubbish tips for food, either. There's food and resources there to stop it, but it won't end while the wealthy turn their backs on their own people.

Are you kidding me, you dont even kow where i come from...

Yeah, she did. But to automatically presume that the three of them knew absolutely nothing is prejudiced. Unless you were there whenever any of them were talking, 24 hours a day, of course. All of the hm's have said that certain things weren't shown, including the supposed 'good guys'. Wouldn't your average English/British person be equally as naive about her culture? For all we know, they could've asked her plenty about her culture. Did she ask them about theirs?

Indeed. I don't think that she's a bad person at all. Much like anyone else, she has her good points and her bad points, too. But she's been painted as almost serene, somehow floating in a special aura that exists just for her. That's what I'm objecting to, because she hasn't done anything to justify being elevated to some kind of cod-sainthood. She sneered at Jade and her family from the very moment they walked into the house, before they'd had any opportunity to even settle in. She was exceptionally patronising towards them and towards Danielle, too. As previously mentioned, her views concerning the discipline of children were repugnant. And she frequently bitched about the three girls with Jermaine and at times with Dirk and H, too. It's simply not fair to criticise the actions of the other housemates without admitting that Shilpa has her flaws, too.

Charlotte Sometimes needs to calm down and have a curry. You need to look around at THIS society and examine what YOUR way of disciplining kids etc has in fact produced. You are judging things from a western point of view,or at least a very 'British' one, which by the way, with respect to visible outcomes is, by statistics, THE WORST in the world, check it out.

This is all very self-righteous.

I'm sure Jade employs nannys, cleaners, bodyguards etc. to help her - 'servants' by any other name.
They wouldn't be capable because they have no knowledge of such matters let alone alone an interest. This is Jade 'Is East Angular abroad?' Goody we are talking about here. Those three girls (and Jack and Jackiey) didn't have the slightest inclination to discuss weighty subjects of that nature in the house (maybe they should have given them access to the Wikipedia website or something so they could fire off a few stats!). Nothing to do with prejudice - just observed behaviour.
Hang on a sec... Jade lives in the lap of luxury while absolute poverty exists around the world. Should she have to give her money away / sell all her possessions etc by this logic? What difference does it make that Shilpa lives in the same country where absolute poverty exists. Aren't we in the west equally morally responsible. In fact to extend the sanctimoniusness for a second shouldn't ordinary people in this country give away their money to alleviate poverty rather than spend money on all the useless stuff that we buy.
Shilpa isn't a Queen who rules a country or even a politician - in fact as I mentioned before the people of India - and all other parts of the world - are as much our 'own people' as they are to a fellow Indian. We're all part of the human race.

And by employing people at least she is redistributing her wealth as part of the economy. Countries generally become wealthier by having successful businesses like the film industry for instance.

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I doubt many people agree that being served in a restaurant is morally wrong either.

have you heard Jade? She can't speak proper English!