Originally Posted by rk3388 (Post 9053494)

It's not about Donald vs Hillary now - It's about making A CHANGE.
Something needs to be done in this HORRIBLE US Electoral system - and being heard is how we are going to prevent Trump from destroying the country.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9053507)

In any Democracy Ammi, surely ALL people have a 'Voice' through the Ballot Box?

I'm sorry, but to me, this is no different to the thousands of idiots who run riot through our town centres every so often disrupting other citizens lives and creating unnecessary work for the police and civic authorities, and all because their football team has lost.

Originally Posted by Black Dagger (Post 9053508)

Republicans would be doing the exact same thing if Hilary got in and would get violent with it as well. Let's not kid ourselves

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9053512)

...democracy has had it's voice through the ballot box Kirk and that voice has been given 4 years in it's apparent 'protest vote' for many, whatever percentage but whatever the reasons for that democracy vote, it has a very generous 4 years anyway..I think it would be extremely intolerant and extremely ironic to not have the protest against the protest, have a few short days/ a small amount of time to heal and to voice in this peaceful way...(and if there is violence and rioting, that should swiftly and harshly dealt with..)...yes it may be disruptive, but whichever which way the result..it was always going to be strongly felt and was always going to disrupt...it's been said so many times, let's see what happens with Trump as president well let let's also see what happens with this protest because atm there are no riots, so lets not assume there will be..if there are then they have to be dealt with but the worst thing and the bigger 'build up' thing so we're often told is to try to stifle a voice that needs it's feelings heard...

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9053513)

Don't remember that happening the two years Obama won.

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9053514)

But what is this actually going to achieve? Trump still will be president.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9053516)

..I just think it's hard armand to compare other election results because no other two candidates have ever created so much controversy in both being so crazily unsuitable for the job...it's been unique in its unbelievable factor for a very long while now.../which I don't recall happening before with 'the two best'...being equally as awful in different ways...

Originally Posted by rk3388 (Post 9053497)

I fear for whoever is tolerant of Trump and many of his loony supporters
I for one am not going to be tolerant for islamophobia, Shutting out Syrian refugees (I'm so proud of Canada for letting so many in with very little problems), sucking the oil sands dry while warming the GLOBE'S climate, and allowing the rich to get richer while the poor people get poorer.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9053517)

..things don't always need to achieve but I think the worst thing is to say, just get over it, type thing and move on and leave those wounds left all open..the best healing is to let them have their voices so long as it stays peaceful and it shouldn't be pre-empted that it won't until that changes and unless it does...things like open borders/controlled borders etc have been a big thing for some votes in both this and Brexit so we're often told and opinions on that feeling that they can't voice, in fear of being thought of as racist/intolerant...so that creating a stifling that has led to frustration and the building of unrest/negativity...well it's the same principle here and hard to understand why it's objected to or thought wrong because if it is a path forward and is a change etc that is needed...then the starting point should be surely to allow voices to be heard...let them speak, let them release and let them move on and forward.../don't let it fester and build in strength...

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9053518)

I feel like trumps win was a bit unexpected for both sides while Hillary's camp probably thought they had it in the bag, explaining the meltdowns. Maybe a few trump supporters would of protested but I can't imagine it would've been to this scale.

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9053521)

To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9053521)

To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9053526)

Why is Ammi so angry
is it because kids in the school room
are scared.

Tell Em
Arista will send them to a
Trump Resort Holiday / Education

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9053520)

http://e3.365dm.com/16/11/536x302/e6...20161109214725
i was not going to post this
as the Fecking Mirror is Negative

........ Is It Not AMMI

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 9053432)

Aren't these people supposed to be the tolerant ones? #lovetrumpshate is tongue in cheek I guess.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9053485)

If they are to be believed Maru, and this isn't just 'Sour Grapes' - one might ask why they did not take to the streets in earnest protest about Clinton being their nominee, during all these many, many months BEFORE she lost to Trump.

I have the feeling that old Hilary was good enough for them while it seemed that she was a WINNER, and it is the DEFEAT which these precious little undemocratic dahlings cannot stomach.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9053532)

..yeah I have to say that the media will probably not be helping but I guess it's more the media in the USA that's important and there's no point in them relating a 'slant' against Trump and a lack of support etc../discontent in people while greatly contributing to that themselves and feeding it...

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9053541)

Protesting and intolerance do not go hand in hand with each other, and this is a really dangerous attitude I've seen develop of late. In a democracy (which people often like to reiterate), you are entitled by rights to freedom of assembly and to protest about issues you care about. These do not recede just because an election has taken place, people are allowed to be critical of the result, it is irrelevant whether or not it will change anything - they are entitled to make their voice heard.

You will often find people who break the law in any kind of protest and that's in part both because some people will always spoil it for everyone else and that police tactics such as kettling will make it inevitable. But that doesn't mean it applies to everyone who protests, the vast majority are tolerant and are just exercising their democratic right. The media's treatment of Trump keeps being brought up so it's also worth pointing out that their depictions of protests can often be distorted so as to rubbish a cause and paint everyone involved as petty thugs. It works both ways.



Many Bernie supporters did in fact protest after it transpired how manipulative the DNC had been in securing Clinton's nomination.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9053544)

In this case it appears to have far more to do with sour grapes than having a voice, they have just had that. Unfortunately for them more voices had a different opinion.

I really think they believe if they shout loud enough someone will hear and maybe another Ms Miller will come along and throw a spanner in the works. In their dreams! Trying it on basically!

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9053543)

Left wing media is an oxymoron so don't add anything Ammi