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Amy Jade 12-12-2016 04:03 PM

I literally saw tweets on the second night saying people would rather vote Matt because he was British and Saara should go home, dont let the foreigner win etc

With such a small margin I 100% believe there was a factor of nationality persuading people to vote for the 'home act'

Nicole encouraged it on night one and many fans called it out.

Amy Jade 12-12-2016 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry (Post 9095411)
Foreign acts have won BGT , an American has has won CBB, so sorry no it's nothing to do with Brexit, it personal choice and the demographic of the voting public which apparantly is young girls and cat ladies, the revenge of the cat lady....:hehe:

Isn't it just one foreign act in how many series? and lets not pretend tgere wasn't an outcry over it.

LukeB 12-12-2016 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aubrey O'Christmas Day (Post 9095440)
Isn't it just one foreign act in how many series? and lets not pretend tgere wasn't an outcry over it.

9/10 BGT winners are from the UK and the other one is a foreigner and you are right people did moan about it.

LukeB 12-12-2016 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aubrey O'Christmas Day (Post 9095437)
I literally saw tweets on the second night saying people would rather vote Matt because he was British and Saara should go home, dont let the foreigner win etc

With such a small margin I 100% believe there was a factor of nationality persuading people to vote for the 'home act'

Nicole encouraged it on night one and many fans called it out.

I saw loads of these too "i'm not being xenophobic here but it's not right Saara winning a UK show" like it shouldn't really matter

this is why I prefer euro vision because we get none of that

Marsh. 12-12-2016 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aubrey O'Christmas Day (Post 9095437)
I literally saw tweets on the second night saying people would rather vote Matt because he was British and Saara should go home, dont let the foreigner win etc

With such a small margin I 100% believe there was a factor of nationality persuading people to vote for the 'home act'

Nicole encouraged it on night one and many fans called it out.

I've seen tweets of homophobia and racism, doesn't mean everyone's like that.

Twitter isn't everyone.

Ross. 12-12-2016 04:13 PM

Oh leave Marsh!

Amy Jade 12-12-2016 04:16 PM

Nobody is saying twitter is everyone or that EVERYONE thinks in such a pathetic way, some prefered Matt and that's fine (although I don't get it) I am just pointing out what I saw and it wasn't one incident either, saw a lot of it.

People flat out saying things like 'best vote matt so the yodler doesnt win', 'vote Matt #### dont let a foreign person win' and the worst I saw was basically saying **** off home

Jack_ 12-12-2016 04:17 PM

I think it's best to take an intersectional approach to analysing this, lord knows my thoughts on Brexit Britain, but it seems a bit reductive to blame her defeat solely on that.

It of course will have played a part, but so too will others factors. She reprised the wrong song, it's irrelevant whether she came second after doing it the first time around, The Winner Takes It All was her 'moment' and the chance to show off her vocal range. Matt getting to sing a song that's featured on the most anticipated advert of the year for no reason at all wouldn't have helped matters either, that's a massive pimping if I ever saw one. And then of course vote transfers from 5AM, along with casual voters/Middle England will have played a part.

It's hard to say whether she'd have won given different song choices, but I do think the gap would've been significantly smaller (it was surprisingly large given how close it was on the Saturday). I also think it's interesting to consider how a better duet partner for 5AM may have carried them through, and subsequently presented her with an easier path to victory. We'll never really know.

LukeB 12-12-2016 04:20 PM

Saara had I don't know my own strength which realistically THAT felt like a winning moment, it should have won her the competition. That song was a strong powerful choice.

Niamh. 12-12-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeBrrr. (Post 9095462)
Saara had I don't know my own strength which realistically THAT felt like a winning moment, it should have won her the competition. That song was a strong powerful choice.

I didn't watch the whole series through but tbf Matt had a really good voice too, who is "better" is completely subjective

Jack_ 12-12-2016 04:25 PM

Her Whitney performance was great, yes, but is it the song (and arrangement of, for that matter) that's featured on this year's John Lewis advert? No, and given 95% of the viewers probably wrongly assumed that was going to be his winner's single, I think that would've put him at a huge advantage

cliffxen 12-12-2016 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by McGregrrrrrrrr (Post 9095467)
I didn't watch the whole series through but tbf Matt had a really good voice too, who is "better" is completely subjective

If you take the whole series into consideration, Saara clearly is better. But based on the finals alone, Saara definitely wasn't at her best.

Niamh. 12-12-2016 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffxen (Post 9095477)
If you take the whole series into consideration, Saara clearly is better. But based on the finals alone, Saara definitely wasn't at her best.

It's still subjective though, that's just your opinion. She may have preformed more flawlessly but the doesn't mean people will like her voice more :shrug:

LukeB 12-12-2016 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by McGregrrrrrrrr (Post 9095467)
I didn't watch the whole series through but tbf Matt had a really good voice too, who is "better" is completely subjective

he does but it didn't really go anywhere for me. but as I said Saara's second song should have won it her because she sang it amazingly well and it felt like it was her winners moment, I didn't really get that with Matt. during the finale there is always that winners moment, Leona Lewis - All by myself, Alexandra Burke ft Beyonce - Listen, Louisa Johnson - It's a mans world etc.

Kazanne 12-12-2016 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry (Post 9095134)
Matt Clinched it singing the John Lewis song

I thought Purple Rain did it for him Cherie,I really liked that.

Cherie 12-12-2016 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeBrrr. (Post 9095441)
9/10 BGT winners are from the UK and the other one is a foreigner and you are right people did moan about it.

Because 90 per cent of the acts are British :laugh: everyone moans about everything these days, just moaning for the sake of moaning...I'm not sure what all the fuss is about she will get a deal and finishing 2nd hasn't done 1D, JOS, Olly Murs any harm

Cherie 12-12-2016 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9095539)
I thought Purple Rain did it for him Cherie,I really liked that.

I loved it too. I didn't vote though even on the free app

Ashley. 12-12-2016 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Aubrey O'Christmas Day (Post 9095454)
Nobody is saying twitter is everyone or that EVERYONE thinks in such a pathetic way, some prefered Matt and that's fine (although I don't get it) I am just pointing out what I saw and it wasn't one incident either, saw a lot of it.

People flat out saying things like 'best vote matt so the yodler doesnt win', 'vote Matt #### dont let a foreign person win' and the worst I saw was basically saying **** off home

Danielle Lloyd will do anything for a little bit of attention. :bored:

I agree though, I couldn't predict just how many but I'm sure a lot of votes for Matt were those who quite plainly just didn't want Saara to win.

Adamw92 14-12-2016 06:44 PM

I honestly think it was just down to 5AM voters switching to the only other act they would like... another "attractive" male act. It seems quite straight forward when you look at the number of votes recieved (it was something like 3.5 million on the Saturday which means 5AM had 500,000 to 600,000 of those votes which is almost the exact amount of votes Matt beat Saara by.

Denver 14-12-2016 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by One More Sleep (Post 9097632)
I honestly think it was just down to 5AM voters switching to the only other act they would like... another "attractive" male act. It seems quite straight forward when you look at the number of votes recieved (it was something like 3.5 million on the Saturday which means 5AM had 500,000 to 600,000 of those votes which is almost the exact amount of votes Matt beat Saara by.

5AM would have knocked Matt out had they had The Weeknd :fist:

Adamw92 14-12-2016 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HomeTownJesus (Post 9097636)
5AM would have knocked Matt out had they had The Weeknd :fist:

Quite possibly. I think Matt's votes would just go to them on the Sunday though so I think Saara was screwed either way. The fact that she only lost by 8% is pretty good considering she had the whole "not being British" thing going on for her. Maybe she would have stood a chance if Emily had made the final instead of Matt.

Marsh. 14-12-2016 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aubrey O'Christmas Day (Post 9095121)
Nope. Brexit.

Absolute bollocks.

Marsh. 14-12-2016 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeBrrr. (Post 9095222)
Nope, Brexit is the reason. People have issues with foreigners being on UK TV and saw some tweets saying "it would be weird seeing someone from finland winning a UK show"

Because UK reality shows have never had foreign winners.

Marsh. 14-12-2016 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry (Post 9095384)
5am fans would mainly be girls so they would transfer to Matt I think, if people were voting on nationality she wouldn't have topped the vote for two weeks and been top when the vote was frozen.

This. If the viewers are so xenophobic, the girl wouldn't have made it anywhere near the final.

Amy Jade 14-12-2016 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by December (Post 9097747)
Absolute bollocks.

No it's not at all. I'd debate it further but if that's as much as you have to say then I'd be wasting my time.

Also in response to your reply to Luke, yes they have...and people have gone mad about it.


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