I've already seen them thanks. The fact remains she was much harder on Jo. She was interrupting Jo and instructing her to answer the question, she didn't do that with Jade. Or maybe she did but they just didn't show it. See I'm starting to think like you.

Whaaaaat? You tell me to get over it. I'm just responding in your own language.

Same planet as you!

Calm down and stay on topic :nono:

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I shall cover it very quickly, just for you BAZG
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It is easy to slip up on words and comments which may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

I use Danielle Lloyd's comment, "I wished she'd ******* o** home", (or words to that effect)

Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else.

It could be said, that she accidentally went in that area? Without realising?? But it was offensive, that's all.. Not racist. but could be construed that way, accidentally!!
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Davina McCall's treatment of all three girls can't be too harsh, as there was only thousands of complaints and that was it.

No investigation at that point!

Get the point, BAZG? No riddles in this post..

How do you know she was saying something else? Maybe all of the people who thought she was being racist were right.

That could be said. It could also be said that she was being racist.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! 40,000 complaints - something like that? And you don't think that warranted a bit of harsh questioning?

Most of your posts are completely made up of riddles and waffle. I have also noticed that you start out being friendly and polite and as soon as someone challenges you, you become rude.

There is no such thing as a part time racist.
There is no such thing as accidental racism.
There is no getting through to you

Agreed!

If you are not a racist, you do not have racist thoughts at the back of your head that come out "accidently".

You say "Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else." You are not Danielle. You do not know her. So you cannot say this.

And mate, we certainly are not on the same planet. We're all on Pluto. Where are you?

And don't tell me to stay on topic. Are you a mod? I am on topic, because you bought the subject up.

Danielle Lloyd, was going out with Teddy Sheringham.

He is a football player who integrates with football players of all races and colour.

Danielle will of course, have friends, acquaintances & associates who also are of different colour and race.

I would say that whatever Danielle, Jo & Jade Goody said was more accidental or provoked and rightly said by the CPS, just offensive. That's very clear & consise Ruth..
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I said thousands of complaints. So that covers that question.

Davina does her job and is not there to be nasty to any housemate, just because of a furore which Davina has stated recently that she couldn't understand?

Pete Burns was also bad, but no racism accusations, you see.

Yes. And your point is?

Right. Let's make this clear. THE CPS DID NOT PROCEED WITH THE CASE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMPLAINANT. NOT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CRIME. IF SOMEONE IS ASSAULTED, BUT DOES NOT REPORT IT, DOES THAT MEAN THEY WERE NOT REALLY ASSAULTED.

NOT GUILTY DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN INNOCENT.

Is that clear and consise enough for you?

No, it doesn't. I asked if you thought that the fact that 40,000 people complained was not enough to warrant some harsh questioning. Once again, you have completely avoided the issue.

Oh - and regarding Pete Burns...

Pete Burns was vile towards Traci Bingham. But he did not make any racist comments. So that is why there was no question of racism.

The first three:- "there's no this, there's no that" is naturally your opinion and other clouded opinions who actually felt that the girl's are just racist people and that is it.

Not true, I'm afraid!!
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When I say the word, "Accidental", it doesn't have to be "Racial", it can also mean, "Offensive".

The words and sentances were offensive, hence the CPS's conclusion to the whole episode.

However, many were sounding like they were "racial-over-toned", that is where we find the word (construed)

People think things like this, as editing can make it look worse and paint a much less-prettier-picture of the events.

But, accidents can happen and if something was said, appologies follow and Jade Goody was very sorry, which we all saw.

Even Davina would have seen all of this and will have her own view.
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I am not on Pluto. It in uninhabitable.

Probably a dream, I'll forgive you on this occasion.


nodisharmony :angel:

I'm still waiting for a the definitions - Very racist, part time racist, accidental racism, racist joke. You can't make ridiculous statements of ignorance then run away. Answer me, nodisharmony.

You can now discuss on the new thread!

I said that Danielle is going out with Teddy Sheringham and knows a lot of different races and colour.

My point being Ruth, that, if she chose to be racial, it is a bad judgement call.

It is better to assume that she just didn't like Shilpa, just like Jo O'Meara and of course "The girl on everybody's mind" Jade Goody..

It is accidental offensive remarks, labelled by thousands as perhaps something worse, like racial-over-tones.

Danielle is very unlikely to think colour & race in offensive remarks, when it is natural to understand that Teddy would be very upset.

I know that many footballers were very upset.
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Excusing the Capital Letter's Ruth :nono:

I understand what you mean, when it comes to law and complainants.

However, when people say there is racist comments being aired on a reality show, the police decided to get involved!

If nobody complained, like you apparently say?

Then, there was no reason for the police to get involved, or even the CPS.

They should have left it instead. Agreed!
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I didn't avoid the question Ruth :spin2:

I just said that Davina McCall interviewed Jade Goody and remained impartial and also was strict, but didn't over-do it.

I know that many think that she should have gone over the top and also, many people have accused Davina of corruption, as she has the same Advisors as Jade Goody.

This is more rubbish, that suggests that the lovely Davina would treat Jade Goody different, just because of this, regardless of the quantity of complaints.

People always complain about stuff, you know that!!
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I know that there was no racism between Tracy & Pete.

Skin-colour usually makes a big difference.

What do you mean by this? You see, I wouldn't find racial overtones/undertones if they weren't there. You need to explain this comment.

What new thread BAZG?

in serious debates section

Okay GiRTh, as you ask the question and Davina has been accused of being soft on Jade Goody, then I shall give the definitions of those quotes:-
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(Very Racist) This means that you judge people by the colour of their skin or their ethnic background or say definite racist comments where there is no doubt in anyones mind that they are indeed racist words.

This wasn't the case with CBB Jan.
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(Part-Time Racist) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, assaults you or says a racist comment to you or attacks you personally in words and in that moment of rage, you may something which brings race into the equasion

Maybe one or two words in that situation. But generally, you treat everybody equal.

It was said, just to hurt that person in revenge of what they first did to you.

Tit-for-tat, but petty really.

This wasn't the case with CBB Jan.
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(Accidental Racist/offensive words or comments) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, annoys you in some way, accidently, something may come out of your mouth, (Jade, Jo and Danielle) for example. Which to some people may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

It is accidental and an easy trap to fall into.

This is what happened in CBB Jan.
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(Racist jokes) This is what comedians call humour. I don't need to elaborate much on this point, as I am not insulting your intelligence.
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Okay GiRTh, I did what you asked and I hope you understand where I am coming from?

In such a hostile environment as this, I am sure someone will pick holes in these definitions in a matter of moments.

But this is my view on the definitions and that is that.


nodisharmony :angel:

I have just posted it on GiRTh's request,

Sadly, I just caught your post too late.

sorry, Sunny..

nodisharmony :angel:

"Accidental racism and part time racists"

I didn't see it before BAZG

So, I have stuck it on this thread, two posts up this one.

Have you seen it?

If somebody called me a "white honky", I would not retaliate in such a way. It would not come into my mind. If I did, then I would say I was racist. I would not describe myself as a "part-time racist". It has actually happened before, and I have just laughed. To retaliate and be just as bad as them, was not in my mind.

I agree with you totally BAZG

I am not stupid.

But my job which I do, "apart from supporting the girls, that is"

is, meeting plenty of people, of all different colours and races, white, black, brown, whatever...

I never judge people by the colour of skin or origin, people are just people to me and that is the truth.

I hate racism too, but I am a realist and know that it does exist. But I also hate people when they scrutinize so much into things and I agree with Davina, when she said that she hopes that Big Brother 8 doesn't get scrutinized that way.

The people I meet, are just people and people are not perfect and do say racist words, now and again. I see it, I hear it and I know it exists.

What else is there to do but accept that people do say stuff.

How I choose to label it, is just my definition and that's all.

No worries :pat:

Well I don't think anybody would disagree with you about it being a bad judgement call. But people do make bad judgement calls all the time.

NO - it's better to look at the footage available, rather than just make up a scenario that suits what you think.

How do you know this?

As you said yourself on another thread - only Danielle, Jo and Jade know what they are thinking. So you have no basis for your statement.

Well yes. Which would suggest that they had something to be upset about.

In your opinion. But plenty of people think that she went easy on Jade.

Davina does what she is told. And if you watch Jade's interview and Jo's interview, you can see that she quite clearly did treat them very differently.

Don't get me wrong - I thought the way Pete behaved towards Traci was awful. But as you say, there was no question of racism - he didn't make any racist remarks - so the issue wasn't raised. But the girls in this years CBB did make racist remarks.

Do you hate me nodis? Am I over scrutinizing things? Should we just leave issues alone and hope they will go away? How far should we go? Should we all leave things to rest now? Do you think you are also guilty of over scrutinizing? Questions. Questions.

Fookin hill hairy arse.

Nodis, would you..... hang on, I'll ask in the new thread.

I may hate you, if you want me to? There again, as I am so polite, a truthful answer to someone who seemed okay would be a wrong decision to make.

You are over-scrutinizing things, this was what Davina McCall is concerned about and is also concerned that it could spoil Big Brother 8

The main point that Davina is on about, is, if there are arguments between two different races of people, then, it would be better to look at it as just an argument and nothing more than that.

I don't over-scrutize, when it comes to a member debating the racial angle from the CBB Jan. furore.

You can debate it and feel safe about talking about it without being accused of being a racist yourself. That is where the over-scrutiny takes place, where it shouldn't.

nodisharmony :angel: