Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9193566)

For the sake of balance I've just gone and signed the anti-Trump petition, so cheers for the reminder

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9193563)

Not a close one :fan:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9193589)

If you were that bothered you wouldn't have needed a reminder,are we being a tad childish here :hehe:

Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9193566)

For the sake of balance I've just gone and signed the anti-Trump petition, so cheers for the reminder

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9193649)

Trump on down under
happy to be on down under TV
as the speak ENGLISH



Includes the "Banned"
USA ad

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9193668)

That ad is funny!

Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9193566)

For the sake of balance I've just gone and signed the anti-Trump petition, so cheers for the reminder

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 9193638)

I did and went to the rally last night :clap1:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9193674)

Good. Although I don't agree with you I do uphold your right to your opinion and to voice it.

Heading for 110,000 signatures now. Creeping up, isn't it.

I think those opposing Trump and those... (I hesitate to say "supporting him" because I don't actually support him, any more than I supported Putin when he had a State visit... or when Mugabe did... or the Chinese...) and those who believe he should come because he is the president of the USA, is probably on a par numerically. However, as with Brexit, those against make the most noise, the squeaky wheel if you like. Those who find themselves in opposition to the noisy ones use the vote to voice their opinion. They did when the Tories unexpectedly gained a majority at the last general election, they did when we voted to leave Europe and they will now.

A discussion on this is difficult because those who oppose Trump intimate in what they write that if you aren't with them on this, then you're a hard-right, card-carrying, cross-burning fascist.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9193909)

Are you sure that the left hasn't gone so far of the scale, that normal people just look far-right to you?

Here's a liberal guy Dave Rubin, who a couple of years ago would have called himself 'on the left', but now he constantly finds himself criticising the left. I'm guessing this is the kind of person you'd refer to as far-right, because of some of his opinions. He's a gay guy by the way and is married to another guy.

The left is no longer Liberal

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9193824)

I would say there is possibly one currently who is obviously far right and maybe another with leanings. 5 or 6 I can think of who are far left. Both sides seem to be quite rude to anyone they perceive as being the other way, their perceptions are often mistaken.

Personally I'm in the middle and lean slightly left. I don't feel that there is any political party who represents me. New Labour came close at some points and so did the Lib Dems. I don't believe in a god and I don't particularly like religion, but do believe in live and let live unless said religion has rules that do not give full equality to women. Unfortunately that applies to most religions which are run by men and enforce all kinds of rules upon women who have to live with them.

I am well aware there are some here who view me as on the right, and they are wrong. Mostly because I am strong supporter of Brexit which is quite amusing as you spoke about being a strong supporter of it too and obviously lean quite far left. In fact I would say my feelings of compassion for others is one of the reasons why I am so opposed to the EU.

Unfortunately those with a strong political leaning either way don't seem to listen much to what others are saying. And never see any balance in posts that don't agree with their position. People are far more complicated than that and politics isn't always why they feel the way they do.

I think you are mistaking 'right' with simply not sharing your left leaning passion.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9193824)

I would say there is possibly one currently who is obviously far right and maybe another with leanings. 5 or 6 I can think of who are far left. Both sides seem to be quite rude to anyone they perceive as being the other way, their perceptions are often mistaken.

Personally I'm in the middle and lean slightly left. I don't feel that there is any political party who represents me. New Labour came close at some points and so did the Lib Dems. I don't believe in a god and I don't particularly like religion, but do believe in live and let live unless said religion has rules that do not give full equality to women. Unfortunately that applies to most religions which are run by men and enforce all kinds of rules upon women who have to live with them.

I am well aware there are some here who view me as on the right, and they are wrong. Mostly because I am strong supporter of Brexit which is quite amusing as you spoke about being a strong supporter of it too and obviously lean quite far left. In fact I would say my feelings of compassion for others is one of the reasons why I am so opposed to the EU.

Unfortunately those with a strong political leaning either way don't seem to listen much to what others are saying. And never see any balance in posts that don't agree with their position. People are far more complicated than that and politics isn't always why they feel the way they do.

I think you are mistaking 'right' with simply not sharing your left leaning passion.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9193975)

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9193970)

That was very interesting, thank you for sharing.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9193909)

Are you sure that the left hasn't gone so far of the scale, that normal people just look far-right to you?

Here's a liberal guy Dave Rubin, who a couple of years ago would have called himself 'on the left', but now he constantly finds himself criticising the left. I'm guessing this is the kind of person you'd refer to as far-right, because of some of his opinions. He's a gay guy by the way and is married to another guy.

The left is no longer Liberal

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9193975)

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9194028)

Was that something you felt I said after reading one of my blogs?