Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 9200756)

In order to assess this problem we must first question whether or not if all the antics they get up to are naturally forming or are the choreographed. I think if it was the former they would be detained at her majesties pleasure in some mental health facility, so have to agree that the later is the case.

So if all they do is choreographed, this can be seen as some as staged, ergo fake. So if they are acting out fake scenarios, we must then ask ourselves why. Is it for fun or self promotion. Seeing as how they have so much money spent on props in the form of clothes that aid and assist these fake actions, we must therefore conclude that they are not doing it ofr fun but self preservation and or forward slash promotion.

So what we have now are 2 men that falsely act the goat and use props and pre scripted actions to promote the brand they represent. This in itself buys into a very strong game playing scenario and we all know how much some people hate game players dont we. Its one thing to have fun, piss people off, act like a tosser and basically be a dick for effect, but to drive people nuts with inane baby talk and american accents for effect is one bridge too far.

''Are you all right Edward, yes I am John, shall we dance in the mirror and sing some really cool songs, yes Edward that will be cool, can we also piss nicola off when we are doing it, thats a swell idea bro, lets do it.. and so the deadwood act goes on. Basically they are man children with enormous egos and the worst comic act going.

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 9200756)

In order to assess this problem we must first question whether or not if all the antics they get up to are naturally forming or are the choreographed. I think if it was the former they would be detained at her majesties pleasure in some mental health facility, so have to agree that the later is the case.

So if all they do is choreographed, this can be seen as some as staged, ergo fake. So if they are acting out fake scenarios, we must then ask ourselves why. Is it for fun or self promotion. Seeing as how they have so much money spent on props in the form of clothes that aid and assist these fake actions, we must therefore conclude that they are not doing it ofr fun but self preservation and or forward slash promotion.

So what we have now are 2 men that falsely act the goat and use props and pre scripted actions to promote the brand they represent. This in itself buys into a very strong game playing scenario and we all know how much some people hate game players dont we. Its one thing to have fun, piss people off, act like a tosser and basically be a dick for effect, but to drive people nuts with inane baby talk and american accents for effect is one bridge too far.

''Are you all right Edward, yes I am John, shall we dance in the mirror and sing some really cool songs, yes Edward that will be cool, can we also piss nicola off when we are doing it, thats a swell idea bro, lets do it.. and so the deadwood act goes on. Basically they are man children with enormous egos and the worst comic act going.

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 9200778)

:joker:...

The thing is their immaturity just isn't 'normal' IMO...their behaviour isn't 'normal'. There is no definition of normal but if my 25 year old son started making space suits out of cardboard boxes and used shaving foam to write all over my bathroom mirrors..I would feel the need to speak to a psychiatrist about it...
However in their defence...they don't swear and they do make good points about people in the diary room...

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9200789)

Why do people take CBB so seriously?

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 9200796)

Its Sams opinion and he's entitled to it,and some of us agree with every word he's said

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9200802)

Congrats on stating the obvious :clap1:

Also, the right to an opinion goes both ways. Sam is entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to comment on it.

Freedom of Speech does not only apply to people you agree with, Chuff.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 9200805)

But you didn't comment on what he had actually said

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 9200774)

so you think their actions are normal for 25 year olds, well maybe we need a rethink then.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 9200732)

my problem is ....they are on my tv and have ruined CBB for me ,and thats a massive problem

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9200814)

They seem perfectly normal to me, and they are pretty smart and intuitive about other housemates.

What is a 'normal' 25 year old? I've seen women and men of this age so drunk they can't walk home near the local pubs and clubs. Is that 'normal'?

Originally Posted by That Girl (Post 9200825)

why tf are people dictating how a "normal" 25 year old should act :umm2:

this obsession with normality is repulsive

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9200827)

I know. At the end of the day they seem happy a whole lot more happy than any other person in that house, that's what I want for my kids, it's the most important thing in life imo

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9200789)

Why do people take CBB so seriously?

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9200842)

Jedward are what every 25 year old wishes they could be

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9200675)

i don't get it.

they have been a joy to behold, the only hm not to isolate kim shows maturity in my opinion. also they have shown great maturity in their opinions and views on the other hm. the perception that they show is undoubtedly the best in the house and they have me nodding away at the telly when they share them with us.

I think peoples problem with them lies in the fact that they don't see them as 25 yr olds, the reason for this i believe not to be their maturity levels but the fact that they don't look 25.

take the bathing and gstring episode where they were having a laugh, i read a few derogotary comments on here about how it looked..i doubt anything would have been said if it were a more muscular 25yr old doing the same thing.

i may be wrong though, but i don't think i am.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9200958)

Exactly, great post again.

I always say I get people may not get them and not like them as an act.

However the mental health inferences,.the sick near incest insinuations and also the shocking,just in my view, accusations against the character of their Mum are for me, way out of line.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 9200820)

Do you have a 25 GROWN MAN offspring ?

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9201056)

I do have one in his twenties, yes. He is a wonderful son, works very hard in his career, still likes his mum to tickle his feet when he's sprawled on the sofa. Not seeing why it's relevant though.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9201056)

I do have one in his twenties, yes. He is a wonderful son, works very hard in his career, still likes his mum to tickle his feet when he's sprawled on the sofa. Not seeing why it's relevant though.

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 9201002)

I have not read any character assassinations of their mum.The fact that she is their mum is academic. She is their manager, she pays herself a big wage and for the last 2 years their brand Planet Jedward has shown losses in excess of 250,000 while she still gets paid. Go figure that one. Secondly these poor kids have been pushed and guided for many years to provide wages for all around them and \i call this exploitation when it interferes with the way they have been made to grow up. If they were allowed to grow into adults, they wouldnt feel it necessary to baby speak or dance in the mirror and play dressy uppie.