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Tom4784 24-03-2017 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9260889)
most men love a beautiful naked womans body, if truth be known they would love it if they would all walk around naked, but the married men wouldn't want that of course because they don't want other men to fancy their women lol :laugh:
Right...

MB. 24-03-2017 08:56 PM
I'm not even sure if you know what your own argument is here Tozzie

Tozzie 24-03-2017 08:56 PM
seems I've ruffled a few feathers. I didn't mean to offend just something I was thinking about and wanted others views on it. Soz

Tozzie 24-03-2017 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9260896)
I'm not even sure if you know what your own argument is here Tozzie
I/m not arguing I don't do arguing

Tozzie 24-03-2017 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9260894)
Right...
Glad you agree with me lmao :laugh:

MB. 24-03-2017 08:58 PM
I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"

Tozzie 24-03-2017 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9260901)
I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"
hahaha yeah I'm confused myself :joker:

Cherie 24-03-2017 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9260862)
...because women are twice as likely to suffer from a clinically significant eating disorder? And because the story is about an advertising campaign complained about by over 70k people because it says that women aren't "beach body ready" unless they look like a twig?
oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.



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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9260876)
Did I say anything about excluding men? I didn't even specify women in that post. I didn't think I'd need to specify both genders since it was obvious I was talking about both genders in the first place.

In fairness though, Bodyshaming in advertising is more of an issue that affects women anyway because adverts are designed depending on the gender they are aimed at. Female-centric advertising quite often relies on exploiting insecurities while a lot of male aimed advertisements tend to be more about inflating egos 'You're amazing already, buy this and be even more of a legend!'.

It's why discussions of bodyshaming is often centred more on women, it's more prevalent in media and advertising aimed at them, it doesn't mean that people are okay with men being bodyshamed, it's just that it's not as prevalent as it is with women.

You only rambled on about it affecting women more when challenged, I expect you have a poll to back this up.

Brillopad 24-03-2017 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9260901)
I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"
I think it's called have their cake and eat it.

Do you think these Muslim extremists practice what they preach and never drink, look at porn or go to sex clubs? It's the old 'some women you marry and some you have fun with' double standard mentality.

Cherie 24-03-2017 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9260902)
hahaha yeah I'm confused myself :joker:
No you make perfect sense to me Tozzie

Jamie89 24-03-2017 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9260774)
I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you? :shrug:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ndon-transport
He didn't want to ban bikini clad women as far as I'm aware, it was specifically ads that promote body shaming, with this particular ad coming under fire mainly because of it's text (and that text being associated with the woman in a bikini looking unhealthily thin), and the whole thing came to be an issue because of the thousands of people who complained about it, not because the Mayor of London is Muslim. He didn't instigate the backlash against the ad, should he have ignored it?

Jamie89 24-03-2017 09:15 PM
On the male/female thing, I don't think he ever actually singled it out as only being an issue for women, it's just been spun that way in the OP because of the ad that sparked all this. He referred to advertising that can demean people, he's not targeting 'bikini clad women'.

Tom4784 24-03-2017 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9260907)
oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.






You only rambled on about it affecting women more when challenged, I expect you have a poll to back this up.
I have knowledge, qualifications and experience when it comes to advertising and how it's done and things are done differently depending on the target audience. Hell, you could make an argument that most of the adverts that could be seen as bodyshaming towards men are in fact aimed at women since things like fragrances, deodorants and male health and beauty products are more often marketed towards women because it's more common for women to buy those products for their other halves or male relations then it is for the man to go out and buy them.

'rambling on' interesting choice of words, you can't argue directly with what I'm saying so you need to discredit it.

Cherie 24-03-2017 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9260913)
He didn't want to ban bikini clad women as far as I'm aware, it was specifically ads that promote body shaming, with this particular ad coming under fire mainly because of it's text (and that text being associated with the woman in a bikini looking unhealthily thin), and the whole thing came to be an issue because of the thousands of people who complained about it, not because the Mayor of London is Muslim. He didn't instigate the backlash against the ad, should he have ignored it?
No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it

MB. 24-03-2017 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9260907)
oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.
The article literally says that it's not just women and the only reason that this particularly case is focused on women is because it's an ad targeted at women :unsure: Also, "some survey"? Yeah, that has a ring of "we don't trust experts" to it...

I'll ignore the other poster who seems to have just called Sadiq Khan a Muslim extremist

MB. 24-03-2017 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9260919)
No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it
*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)

Cherie 24-03-2017 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9260917)
I have knowledge, qualifications and experience when it comes to advertising and how it's done and things are done differently depending on the target audience. Hell, you could make an argument that most of the adverts that could be seen as bodyshaming towards men are in fact aimed at women since things like fragrances, deodorants and male health and beauty products are more often marketed towards women because it's more common for women to buy those products for their other halves or male relations then it is for the man to go out and buy them.

'rambling on' interesting choice of words, you can't argue directly with what I'm saying so you need to discredit it.

oh right, I don't think you need particular qualifications in this area to have an opinion, advertising isn't exactly rocket science..sorry.

Cherie 24-03-2017 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9260923)
*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)
Oh I didn't realise there was an expiry date on news articles, I learn something new every day on TiBB :laugh:

Jamie89 24-03-2017 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9260919)
No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it
I think he did tbf, women are the focus of the article and just generally I think because it's more of a common issue for women (and the ad that attracted all the attention and complaints was of a woman), but his comments addressed that it's an issue for everyone.

MB. 24-03-2017 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9260928)
Oh I didn't realise there was an expiry date on news articles, I learn something new every day on TiBB :laugh:
Well, it's not news if it's ten months old, for starters... if anything, I'd suggest the OP's trying to whip up some hysteria in relation to more current events and suggest there's some kind of link (oh wait, that's exactly what they did right away), but that's just me

Again, whilst advertising clearly does play a role in causing body issues for men, if you could find an ad campaign which specifically tells men they're not 'ready' to be on a beach if they're not stick thin then I'd love to see it. If not, then why not just be happy that the Mayor of London did something to prevent advertising promoting body dsysmorphia regardless of gender? Why try to act as if he's doing something wrong?

Brillopad 24-03-2017 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9260931)
Well, it's not news if it's ten months old, for starters... if anything, I'd suggest the OP's trying to whip up some hysteria in relation to more current events and suggest there's some kind of link (oh wait, that's exactly what they did right away), but that's just me

Again, whilst advertising clearly does play a role in causing body issues for men, if you could find an ad campaign which specifically tells men they're not 'ready' to be on a beach if they're not stick thin then I'd love to see it. If not, then why not just be happy that the Mayor of London did something to prevent advertising promoting body dsysmorphia regardless of gender? Why try to act as if he's doing something wrong?
Because it is very convenient as most Muslim men believe women should cover their bodies and he wants to ban ads of half-naked women. The reason he gives is questionable.

MB. 24-03-2017 09:31 PM
I thought the picture of his wife posted only a few posts into this thread would put an end to stupid comments like that, never mind

Jamie89 24-03-2017 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9260934)
Because it is very convenient as most Muslim men believe women should cover their bodies and he wants to ban ads of half-naked women. The reason he gives is questionable.
He never singled out women or said anyone should 'cover up', these are links and assumptions being made because he happens to be muslim, but he's also the mayor of London, and all this is is the mayor reacting to a large number of complaints regarding advertising within their city. Everything else seems to be assumptions that he must really mean something more sinister than what he's saying,

Tom4784 24-03-2017 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9260925)
oh right, I don't think you need particular qualifications in this area to have an opinion, advertising isn't exactly rocket science..sorry.
You asked me for proof, I offered a reason why my opinion is informed. I didn't say anything about needing qualifications to have an opinion so I'm not sure what you are going on about. I guess this is what happens when you are more concerned about getting on up on someone than having an actual discussion.

Advertising is more complex than what you think, it's psychological, it's analytical, everything has to be considered and everything has serve a function. To downplay that shows your lack of understanding about what advertising entails.

jennyjuniper 25-03-2017 05:59 AM
Instead of looking at ads like these to 'shame people', why not look at them as something to admire and maybe create in us a little spark of 'I wouldn't mind looking like that'. Some people need outside stimulus to promote a little ambition and drive within ourselves. Although having said that, most normal, sensible people just look at it, think 'nice' and move on.-
I am so sick of the populace being wrapped in cotton wool and protected from every little thing that might offend them or lower their self esteem. This is what obese people who have no intention of changing their ways rely on, a society that says 'There there, it's not your fault that you have no self control'.


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