Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9270530)

Exactly. This is another classic example of the corrupt bully boy tactics of the defunct unaccounted bankrupt EU. Not happy with trying to charge us $60 billion for democratically leaving their disgraceful organization. They now try any dirty tactic to cling onto power, including somehow threatening us with Spains non-existent claims over Gibralter. I am prouder than ever to be a brit, a free thinking brit who simply wishes to keep my own country and our sovereignty, whilst at the same time being willing to trade and do business with the entire world. Not to forget we will now decide who will come into the country and who will not. I dont know if the numbers of people arriving will change or necessarily change, but we will be free to decide over who comes here and why. That is a profound difference.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9270706)

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9270706)

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9271117)

It is about respecting the rights of the people who live there. Don't they have the same rights as the Scots in your opinion?

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9271117)

It is about respecting the rights of the people who live there. Don't they have the same rights as the Scots in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9270706)

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9271126)

Thing is, whether this is true or not, it doesn't invalidate the comparison to Hong Kong. IIRC most of the people there didn't want to go back to Chinese rule but it was effectively... Tough poop.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9271133)

It's only in the main the territory politicians want to hold onto or get.

The views of those living there don't really matter so much very sadly.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9271156)

If the views of the people didn't matter why were Gibraltar able to choose in 2002?
If you are referring to Hong Kong it was leased to us and the lease ran out.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9271158)

That sounds horrible, to lease out a persons homeland to another country. Gross.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9270706)

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9271117)

It is about respecting the rights of the people who live there. Don't they have the same rights as the Scots in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9271158)

That sounds horrible, to lease out a persons homeland to another country. Gross.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9271164)

Holg Kong was effing leased. it was common knowledge...

If the people of Gibralter want to remain Britigh, it's not your call to say they can't.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9271167)

Even worse at the end if said period,when the vast majority in Hong Kong wanted things to stay as they had been for all that time, for no attempt to do anything on their behalf.

As for Gibraltar,as long as those living there support being part of the UK.
That's fine but their overwhelming view on the EU,and they are far closer to mainland Europe,that doesn't matter a jot to The UK govt or some voters of The UK either.

Selective support and consideration comes to mind.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 9271165)

At the time I think the 99 year lease was symbolic really and a way of allowing China's rulers to save face, back then it wasn't thought that Hong Kong would actually return to China after that time but obviously the UK and China were very different countries in the 1980s than they were in 1890s

Not sure why its considered colonial of the UK to defend Gibraltar's British status given the strength of feeling there that they want to remain British. There is next to zero will in Gibraltar to return to Spanish rule despite the Brexit vote and surely Spain is the one with colonial pretensions in trying to claim the land

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9271166)

They are in a very similar position in fairness, they voted to remain safe in the knowledge they were part of the EU. That is also of great importance to them, they must be feeling very conflicted.
Of course that has nothing to do with the conditions attached to the agreements signed with Spain concerning the retention of overseas territories, that may be a more complex issue.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9271173)

Since when did we give two hoots about the 'strength of feeling' here or anywhere in the world? :laugh:

Our PM can't get her head around our constitutional obligations so some treaty will be of no interest whatsoever.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9271177)

You really don't know ow how lucky you are to be British. You should read more.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9271142)

I love how less than a week since article 50 being triggered, there is open conversations from politicians about going to war :joker: The UK is a JOKE

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9271181)

Well one politician mentioned that it's around the anniversary of 35 years for the falklands war and that this female prime minister he was sure would defend Gibraltar as strongly as another had the Falklands. Of course typically the remark is taken out of context for sensationalism.