Originally Posted by jennyjuniper (Post 9288405)

Know what? I don't give a rats backside if I am called a racist. Muslim migration needs to be stopped altogether and 'suspected terrorists' need to be evicted without delay.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9288421)

Is that your travelling brother? Whose blog I read?

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9288423)

No my travelling brother is the youngest, the brother who got engaged is younger than me too but only by two years

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9288408)

From what I understood he served his time in prison? so he was free just as anyone else is free after they served their time

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9288427)

Awww well, I hope they're very happy x

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9288529)

Karim Cheurfi was French. He crossed no borders and he’s been a cop hater since at least 2003, before IS was formed and long before all these lone wolf attacks started happening in Europe.

The one thing that won’t stop this sort of terrorism, if it was indeed terrorism is closing the borders. Middle Eastern, Arabs and Africans don’t have the privilege of open borders because the borders are only open to EU nationals. I get the impression that a lot of people believe ‘open borders’ means any alien can just walk on through and that’s simply not true.

We can shout and get emotional and stamp our feet and blame the Left all we want but none of this will change reality; that radicalized lone wolf attacks will continue… even if we were to fully stop Muslim immigration.

As long as we hold hands with the U.S, in this ‘war on terror’, we will see terror on our own shores. These are unwinnable wars and if we don’t do something radically different we will continue to be the victims of circumstance and radicalized Islamist fascists will walk among us.

This man was on the French radar but the French authorities did nothing… why? How many more people are on their radar that they are doing nothing about? We can’t move on without critical reflection or every future attack just becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9288586)

Critical reflection of the West I presume you mean, somehow it's our fault not theirs.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9288613)

If you are being attacked you have to ask why they are attacking you and inevitably you have to take some responsibility for the events because almost without exception, you are being attacked because the person who is attacking you sees you as their enemy.

Critical reflection of everything involved with terrorism as well as why that terrorism is happening.


It doesn't take foreigners to recruit, raise funds and train others. Many of the more robust extremists are Muslim converts who were born here. You say too many are eaten up with hate. I say a select few have been radialized to become fascist Islamists but I also say that those select few are a huge risk to us and that we need better solutions to seek out and apprehend them before they go on to commit their atrocities.
Yes, each one of those countries have been holding hands with the USA.


Why do you say such ridiculous things such as "bow down to them". I haven't suggested for a moment that we should appease them or bow down to them but I do believe we need different strategies because what we have done thus far just seems to fire these people up to commit more atrocities. We are dealing with people who are blinded by a cause. The word jihad has been hijacked and perverted to mean violent struggle wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, and turned into terrorism by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, IS and others and whatever we do, these people are one step ahead of us.

Closing borders will make no difference because they are already here.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9288634)

They are already here, that doesn't mean they can't be be deported if there are significant reasons to believe they are involved with/supporting terrorism.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9288636)

I agree, they should be deported unless of course they are British. If they are British we can't deport them but we need to do more than just keep them on our radar because "on our radar" doesn't work



We also need to remind ourselves not to get paranoid about Muslims because 99.9% of them are just average law abiding people like ourselves.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9288664)

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9288664)

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9288672)

Many of them are British who convert to Islam. Where do you deport a British person to?

As for Germany, its a suggestion, a thought; a perhaps something to think about for the future. As yet its not happening and its doubtful it ever will so its irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9288726)

Where their parents were from obviously.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9288753)

What if their parents are British?


Who is concerned about their feelings? Muslims, just like Jews, Christians, Hindus etc live the world over. In most countries, including the UK, they are the nationality of the country they are born in.

It sounds like you are suggesting Islam is a race and its not British.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9288778)

I don't believe being born in a country automatically makes you a citizen of that country. Never have. Nothing is written in stone and in the case of adult terrorists their belief systems and alliegencies are more relevant.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9288726)

Where their parents were from obviously. They are terrorists why would anyone be concerned about their feelings on the subject. They are grown ups. Judging by their actions a Muslim country is where their loyalties lie so let them get on with it, just not on our soil.

Sorry but I don't think it's irrelevant because you don't believe it will ever happen.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9288941)

You cant deport someone to a country they're not from though, I'm sure you wouldnt expect Britain to accept a criminal who wasnt even British just because their country of origion doesnt want them [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9289015)

If Germany or some other country decide to do so, so can we. The country of their ancestry (parent/grandparents) would be where they would have been born grown up if their parents hadn't emigrated. If that's where their alliance lies there's no problem. I'm sure Muslim countries such as Iraq, Iran etc would welcome a Muslim terrorist with open arms.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9289217)

That last sentence shows just how little you understand about these countries.

Iraq, Iran and the Syrian government are all fighting against IS terrorism so why would they allow a none national IS supporter/terrorist into their country?

Niamh is right. The UK wouldn't accept a none national criminal into this country.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9289227)

Oh come on there would be plenty of Muslim counties that would accept Muslim terrorists. Just as long as we can get rid of them.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9289240)

I give up :facepalm: