Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9295767)

he comes across as arrogant and not very diplomatic to me. He's not very likeable. Doesn't seem like a good choice for someone who's trying to arrange a deal with the EU, especially after the way he carried on after the result of the vote but it's nothing to do with me :laugh:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295782)

Personally I like him. OK maybe not the man for this job, but I was referring more to his abilities to negotiate deals and his oratory skills rather than this particular deal. Shame though, I think he would be ideal in many ways.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9295803)

LOL... Monkey, when I take over the country, I'm making you head of the Diplomatic Corps.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9295758)

The thing is.....
Who would be a good leader to go into the Brexit negotiations?
Corbyn?
Farron?

As much as i don't like the Tories.Who else is there?
It needs to be someone strong and stable who can take a strong hand into the negotiations.Who can offer that from the three main parties?

Tbh i'd rather have farage go in there than any of them.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295764)

Farage for me too. He is a great orator and not easily phased or intimidated. A confident and capable man.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9295833)

Someone who can admit when they get things wrong.

We need a more genuine politics and if that means standing up to the hard right of their own party as well as the tabloid media who’s experience has already taught us that they will never be satisfied with anything that compromises their own ideological fixations.

Instead of a general election, it would have been more honest for the government to admit that they had got things wrong and that they now want to work on and communicate a more realistic expectation to the public, as well as give business, organizations and individuals more warning of the need to prepare for what’s coming next.

The government is trying to sell us a plan that has already started to fall apart at the seams.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9295595)

It's got her rather rattled.
She wants things kept quiet and done behind closed doors probably.
The EU may have other ideas.

She terms it gossip but often gossip contains truth.
She'd rather likely keep voters in the dark as to the way things really are going or are likely to.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9295834)

But he's far right and far right policies may help you but they won't help businesses and industries

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295601)

Talk about counting your chickens. The outcome is two years' away - a lot can happen in that time.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295835)

Neither should they give in to the hard left of their own party. It works both ways. Both extremes are equally distasteful.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295838)

Why do the left never refer to the right as right but always far right? Not an attempt to undermine I wonder.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9295843)

This all comes down to semantics on where each side wants to begin negotiating really.
The EU wants to settle citizens rights(which the Cons do also) and this so called 'divorce bill' first wheras the government are saying "there's no deal until we agree the whole deal".
When they actually get down to negotiating then no doubt progress will be made.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9295840)

More like turkeys voting for Christmas!




I voted out but I'm aware that the leave victory was a narrow one and there is no evidence to suggest that the many leave voters were in favour of such an extreme outcome. The leave campaigners explicitly promised that withdrawal from the EU wouldn’t include leaving the single market and the customs union.

Its obvious that a large proportion of the country don’t support government plans.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9295841)

SCREAMS

Its not about giving in to the hard left, its about listening to different options, including options from their own party. Like I've already said, If the government had listened a little more and a little better, it might not be making the fundamental mistakes it has.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295847)

There is also no evidence to suggest they weren't or that they would be particularly phased by it either. I believe that most voted for in or out - that was it. All the talk about the single market, hard brexit, soft brexit came later.

I think some people like to think they more knowledgeable/intelligent than the majority of voters and particularly like to label those that voted out as gullible, stupid etc. This of course is not true, just intimidation tactics and agendas. Remoaners, devious lot that they are, preyed on the financial insecurities of the lower earners and unemployed in attempt to get them to change their votes. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't.

Maybe many people wanted out even if it might be a difficult ride. Things can't get much worse in this country in many ways.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9295842)

Because in every political party we have different degrees of "right" and "left". Do you believe all the Tory party are in agreement with a hard Brexit?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9295840)

The leave campaigners explicitly promised that withdrawal from the EU wouldn’t include leaving the single market and the customs union

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295838)

Why do the left never refer to the right as right but always far right? Not an attempt to undermine I wonder.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9295718)

Hark at all the clairvoyants on here who think they can predict the future this early in the game. All these wise souls who think they are so much better informed they anyone else. There is a Long way to go yet - a lot can and will happen. Jumping on one newspaper article as though it's words are a foregone conclusion is utter hysterical nonsence. It is definitely not a foregone conclusion, just another good dose of wishful thinking and scare tactics. The remoaners repeating their never ending words of woe at every opportunity! It is a desperate attempt to unnerve those hovering and to 'encourage' them to change their vote if and when there is a referendum on the terms of the deal. Constant scare tactics from scared and angry people

Did anyone really expect it was going to be easy, that the EU were going to just roll over. They don't want Brexit and are going to do everything they can to make it difficult. They are throwing a strop and stamping their feet in protest - as was expected.

Most predictions by those doom and gloom merchants of an immediate negative effect of our economy did not materialise and our economy is still strong. I for one am not going to buy into all this negative hype from those with a clear agenda. To do so would be foolish at this stage and playing into the hands of the Remoaners. Like the rest of us you remoaners are amateurs not economists and your opinions are no more knowledgable or better informed.

Opinions, however dressed up, are opinions, nothing more.