Soooooo because he attempted a reconciliation between just himself and Joe, you came up with all that?

:shocked:

Himself, joe and any viewer taken in by the fakeness of it all...every fan knows the smoking area is where its at..raph picked the moment well and moved in like an eel slopping down a sinkhole thinking as he moved in for the handshake and the hug...got them, i got them all.:hehe:

I've said this from the start. His sense of masculinity is so fragile.

I mean he's admitted to wearing his wife's cloths, is ok with talking about guy he would sleep with if he was gay and is quite effeminate I don't think his masculinity is that bad. Imo he's more worried about not being respected. I feel like Andrew bruised his ego rather than his masculinity.

I know thats my point lol.

There is a bigger picture...if you have been watching the show :shrug:

Sorry lol...

Er no.

A straight guy not liking a gay guy calling him darling is not homophobic lol.

Specially in a deliberate attempt to try a patronise him.Joe did well not to twat him tbf.

Np :thumbs:

No, anyone could see that was Andrew very clearly bating Joe and trying to anger him while he could stay quite calm

Joe said he'd **** Kieron if he was a woman and how he likes crossdressing/finding his "inner woman" - camp things for a homophobe, no? :joker:

He's hoping he won't get votes to evict him - if he wasn't up he would never have shaken Raph's hand.

I don't know, it seemed genuine. But it was Raph who went to talk to Joe, not the other way around.

Joe sees Raph as a threat to winning the show. It has always been about getting rid of the competition. This is why he nominates him every week.

Homophobia is not a magic shield to hide behind if you are rude to someone. You are not understanding the meaning.

maybe Tom might go then after all, in some polls and odds he's really getting closer to Joe

It's more because Andrew was deliberately trying to wind him up, I think that comment would wind up any guy to be fair when said in that manner.

It was patronising as it was meant to be.

The "BUT" as Joe walked away ,clearly baiting, any man would have reacted as Joe did ,Andrew wants to think himself lucky he said it in the house, I doubt VERY much he would speak to anyone like that outside the house

Note that it was Raph who went to talk to Joe, not the other way around. Joe would never have done it.

Rightly so. Raph's kicked it all off with his comment then Andrew thought he would be the Hero of the hour :notimpressed:

Situations like this are not real life so assumptions are academic. In a house with other mates and security around the corner, wimps and nobodies with game plans or axes to grind, like Andrew, are protected, so they say what they want and get away with it. He would never act like that in real life in the outside world because he knows that a massive portion of the male hetrosexuals out there would have re arranged his wonky teeth if he had have called them darling boy.

Him going in saying he is a champion for peoples rights is just plain daft. He is still walking and that in itself proves he is a novice at this kind of action. Joe is a dickhead and i dont like him, never have, but I swear to you all that toms getting my votes this week, because i want wonky teeth to get his just deserts next week and if joe is saved, Both Raph and Andrew will think twice as they will realise he isnt that hated.

Snake boy only did that hoping Joe would tell him to eff off. Snake boy wanted that so he could play the victim. It backfired and you could see snake boy didnt expect it and he couldnt even make up his mind what to do. He just sat there stunned. Joe took over and made him look like a jerk and snake boy got his little collar felt. Thats the truth.

Yeah, I don't think it was the darling as such (though that was a clear attempt to bait) I think it was the 'darling BOY' which was just fairly ridiculous.

Yeah it was a bit patronizing tbf but I hate Joe so I don't care :hehe: