I Agree ,its all about the colour of a hm8s skin with some folk

True, she was winner material

You won't get much support Hayden as most of usual suspects are supporting Raph and Isabelle which is fine as they felt they were the most entertaining, nothing to do with colour ..sorry

They were and it's nothing to do with skin colour.Deborah hurtling up those stairs like Linford Christy says it all.

Oh but hilariously people who supported other Hms above Debs have voted no :joker:

She should have been removed that night

I voted yes, because, I voted yes. I don't have to explain why.

But thinking realistically, no I have to be honest and say I don't think a black woman has a good chance at winning bbuk. I would love to eat my words, but I don't know.

I don't live in England, I live in America, but I can assume the same rules apply, and black people, let alone black women always get the short end of the stick in situations like that. I don't know. I was really certain that Deborah was going to win.

I know because I'm black and gay and understand.

Brian Belo who is a black man won when it was on Channel 4. But he was kinda normal and not what people expected of him. I don't know if Brian acted more like a chav or gangster he would have won. If he acted the way he did in the Time Warp task couple seasons ago, he would not have won. Or if he was in any other house that he probably would not have won. But even though Brian was black, he wasn't over the top and seemed normal. Also coupled with the fact Liam who I would say was in good standing to win didn't already win that task and win 100k, Brian I don't think would have won. I guess people didn't vote for the twins as they assumed they would win. The other people in the final were not deserving at all to be winners.

But going back, I think for a black female to win, she has to be different.

With black women it's hard to do that. They are always, ALWAYS, the diva, sista, sassy woman, and that's fine, and even though they are being themselves, for some reason, which in my own opinion might be related to racism, the viewers find that offensive.

I think the only exceptions to the rule is to find a black girl that isn't what we normally expect, and the closest we got was maybe Alison in BB4, Dawn in BB7, Sophia RIP in bb10, Ife in BB11, and Sam from BB16. Every other black girl has been the diva, sassy type which again there is nothing wrong with that, but for some reasons, the viewers don't like that. Well they might not hate her, but they won't vote her the winner. If she doesn't get on the other contestants nerves, she will make it to final and most likely get 4th place or so.

Other than that, she's most always the first or second one out.

So coupled with the fact she has to be different, she also just has to be lucky and be in final where the rest of the people aren't deserving to win.

Whereas someone white can just be themselves.

You have people like Helen, Chloe etc. who can do all types of crap and be voted winner. Yet a black girl has to be non controversial and different, and also just be lucky that the remaining people are hated, which lets face it, if they made it to the final week, it's tough.

So that's where I have to disagree, that it is based on race sometimes.

But I don't know, when you have an intruder white girl that wins, and a racist white gay trump supporter beating her to get runner up which Deborah should have gotten in the least, I don't want to think it's because she's black, but I don't know. It is because she's black. Wake up people. Smh.

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

:clap1: THIS is what causes racism

Yep!People making race an issue is what causes racism

Glad to see you can back up your argument.

Is Issy a black woman?

Well said, at any other time this thread would be 29 pages long with bandwagon jumping but given the blonde white girl they were all supporting just won its a bit awks :laugh:

Is that you playing/faking the race card, then all of a sudden realising no one cares?

Nah it's done for good this time.
Deborah was the one, loved by so many people and had the perfect journey and voice.

:clap1:

I don't see why not

Also, people pay to vote to evict/save, vote to win.

You really think people are gonna pay to vote for a black girl to win? Wake the hell up, please.

All the reality shows here in America I don't think you have to pay to vote. Unless you're texting which if you have unlimited texting which everyone does, then it's free.

But in the UK that crap comes out of their pocket. So. There's that as well.

I'd like to take this moment to appreciate Hayden and his support for Sue and the sisters this series :love:

Yes, I think so.
Deborah came very close to it this series.
I really think Hannah could have had a lot to do with her not getting there.
That and the fact that she was up against such strong competition.
Raph and more so Issy were just too good to beat.