Who really goes to food banks? This is an informative read.

This does not surprise me one bit. Obviously nothing at all to do with ATOS and their ilk repeatedly removing PIP/DLA (which is for both employed and unemployed disabled people) from so many people

Which yes, has been going on a long time as I believe it was Labour that originally contracted them. But they have got progressively worse with time ( I assume the bonuses they receive for saying people are fine went up or something), and fairly recently the government changed the goalposts even more so to speak, meaning that whilst people still have the same disability/symptoms they always did, it has simply been decided that they are not as ill anymore...which is causing the long term disabled a hell of a lot of stress and creating even more (usually successful) tribunals against obviously wrong decisions.

Your link begins: In brief
Claim
Nurses have been using food banks.
Conclusion
Media reports show that at least some individual nurses and trainees have visited food banks. We don’t have solid evidence of the scale of use.

No solid evidence which is what I said. :shrug:

You said you were dubious about nurses having to use them as you have only ever seen one sensationalized press claim of one nurse having to and said there was nothing otherwise to support this. There is other stuff to support this, was my point...coming from The Royal College of Nursing rather than just random press articles?

Here is the evidence...

A registered nurse in a London hospital will, on average, earn around £28,000 per year.
After tax and NI the take home pay is going to be around £22,000

If she/he is single and renting a one bed flat, the average rent will be between £1,000 and £1,500 pcm or £12,000 and £18,000 per year.

Then there are contract fees, rates, utility bills, travel expenses, clothing, sundries and food and she/he has to pay for all of that with the tiny amount of money left.

Single hospital professionals, at least in London, are known to use food banks.

Edited to add. I forgot to add student loan. From this year onwards a nursing student isn't eligible for a bursary and will now have to pay back a student loan. I just looked it up and a two-year course is £20k and that doesn't include living costs. A newly qualified nurse is going to have an average debt of £40k

Lots of ordinary people have to live on similar sums, with the same life costs and don't necessarily use food banks. I'm not suggesting nurses don't deserve a pay rise but 22 k a year is hardly a destitute salary. Also you'd get a 3 bedroom house on the outskirts of London for 1000 k a month. There is one not far from where I live for that price. A one bedroom flat would be a lot less.

And again you aren't giving any real evidence that nurses en masse have to use food banks.

It's still only hearsay, no actual evidence is presented. I could say Vicky told me the sky is green.

Or an excuse for some

Yet a nurse in full time employment can get it....something dont add up.

Dont doctors and nurses get discounted, if not free food at the hospitals they work at?

What outskirts of London?
If you have to catch a daily commuter train (and not a bus) its going to be very expensive if you're not subsidized for that train.

22k a year in London is definitely a bottom end salary if you are living on your own. I know I couldn't survive on it or maybe I could but I'd be scraping the bone.

does it state what they spend the money they do get on?

Claim

Nurses have been using food banks.


Conclusion

Media reports show that at least some individual nurses and trainees have visited food banks. We don’t have solid evidence of the scale of use


https://fullfact.org/economy/how-man...ing-foodbanks/

Or what the individual nurses spent their money they had on!

Claim
Poverty doesn't exist and isn't a problem, it's just lazy freeloaders.

Conclusion

:facepalm:

Some people are good at 'Self blame strengthening'. Personally, I blame the government and their right wing allies for this fairly common working class attitude towards anyone less fortunate than themselves. Some people are just subservient to their masters.

exaggerating a point till it bleeds and then reacting to your own exaggeration is hardly worthy of "serious debate"

this isnt twitter

I love when you make a point and then go on to ironically confirm it

:smug:

And I love it when you make sarcastic mediocre comments because it displays your thinking.

yes it does when I reply to one of yours :hee:

Only a 'working class attitude' - really! You appear to suggest that you would class yourself as at least 'middle class' and do not appear to have a very positive attitude towards those you consider 'working class'. And you accuse the Tories!!!

Now now are you attempting to put words in mouths?...tsk :nono:

I think that the attitudinal shift has come from the establishment, a few yrs ago would working people and families using foodbanks be so acceptable generally?
Personally I doubt it and it all plays into the 'austerity' myth that it is ok for people to lie in want because 'austerity' especially when you hear statements like this..
“I don’t think the state can do everything,” he said. “It tries to provide a base of welfare that should allow people to make ends meet during the course of the week, but on some occasions that will not work. And to have charitable support given by people voluntarily to support their fellow citizens, I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are.”

If it were only people on welfare using food banks it would be bad enough and yet it isn't, and the govt are not acknowledging this they are effectively saying that they will not aid those who can not aid themselves.
As we are a 'civilised society' the onus falls on us to help... there is no question of calling for landlords to reduce exorbitant rents, the energy cabal of capping prices of paying a decent living wage, of reducing VAT....nothing that would actually help and not in the way of what many see as 'handouts'.

I 100% agree with the churches position that he is unChristian, as he has seemingly stated that there is nothing that the establishment can or will do for those in need and if their communities cannot help then they are to starve.
How else can his statement be interpreted?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ther-uplifting

I didn't say any of that. Why is it that you feel it necessary to misrepresent people by projecting some bull you are making up onto them?

Are you not one of the peons who work for a living then? What a horrible patronising attitude to the working class. What brought this scathing ridicule on? Someone said they don't think 22k a year is a poverty line salary. :shrug:

Why is it necessary to attack or make nasty remarks about those with a different view?

Who said you did?... Nobody that I can see :/