Gonna walk over to town now to do a bit a shopping, probs go oxford street. so if you hear anything happening and i dont come back online then they got me.

Yes I'm afraid it is. Could you now answer my question please.

Then you will be disappointed to know that there's a lot of us.

You know full well I was talking about the US and its alies which includes us.

Most Muslims have not participated in acts of terror but all Muslims (at least by some) are expected to take responsibility for that terror.

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.

That's what generations of uncensored immigration brings. - both home grown terrorism and opportunist terrorism from those 'hiding' amongst refugees and those failed asylum seekers disappearing amongst us. When will we learn!

And that proves what exactly - a handful of lefties convinced, or trying to convince the rest of us, any terrorist attacks are just a 'few Islamic sympathising idiots' rather than a large organised group of actual Islamic terrorists, increasing by the day, intent on bringing the West to its knees.

And how are we supposed to stop supporting invasions, when most people wish government money would be spent on better things anyway? It's no good placing any blame on the average person for 'supporting' any government, just like Homer Simpson can't claim credit for white people on the moon.

Y'know who wouldn't support foreign invasions, and who wasn't old enough to vote for parties that carry them out? The seven year old who died in the islamic attack in Manchester, as well as the other child victims.

Great point

Anyone who supports the invasion of other countries to line their own pockets with that countries resources isn't someone I want to know. Fortunately, I've never come across such a person but thats all to do with the sort of people I hang out with.

As for IS supporters, they want us all to hate Muslims because it aids their cause and clearly, what they are doing works.

What I'm saying is, we can't be blind to the cause. Western governments created ISIS. Western governments have systematically turned parts of the middle east to dust and killed millions... many of them innocents. Muslim terrorists in turn, randomly kill innocent Westerners and they aren't doing it because they want us all to be Muslims, like some on here seem to think, but because they've been radicalised into believing we are all evil. People who hate Muslims are no different than the radicalized Muslims amongst us who hate westerners.

I don't support terrorism in any form and that includes our reign of terrorism on their lands and their reign of terror on ours.

I agree. I think that would take about ten years or more though, and we're showing no signs of beginning that process.

Left wing in central London, you have to be kidding. Believe it or not, a lot of Tory followers think like me when it comes to this hysteria on terror attacks. Like one bloke said to me last night. We have more chance of winning the national lottery than being involved in a terrorist attack.

You know what I hate? I hate the way hysterical Islamophobics seem to revel in these tragic events and use it as a source to recruit more followers. These people, just like IS want us to live in fear. Well I refuse, so on that note, I'm going out shopping to one of the busiest streets in London and I'm catching the tube to do so.

There is an obvious difference between 'people who hate Muslims' - your words with the constant use of the emotive word 'hate' with deliberate intent in my opinion - and those radicalised Muslims amoungst us who hate Westerners - in that the Westerners use the ballot box to air their grievances not terrorist attacks against innocent children.

We already have that!

It's the army they bring out when it's raised to critical.

Which is why isolated muslim communities shouldn't be a thing - they don't see the real world, and therefore don't realise that the average UK citizen isn't evil, nor are they haters of all muslims. The isolationist and islam-centric lifestyles are more to blame than what happens to countries they probably don't even have any close relatives from.

you are pulling out all the cliches today, of course most people won't change their routines for one thing it would be impossible if you work/study in London to just stop going..or using the tube, but the sad fact is the idea that being caught up in a terrorist event related act is becoming more likely than less likely would you not say, this is the 5th in about 8 months so that that alone disputes your narrative. Time to wake up, very few will change the way they live out of necessity, but to deny it is becoming more common is nonsense

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...itical-latest/

18 year-old arrested.

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9622202]You know full well I was talking about the US and its alies which includes us.

Most Muslims have not participated in acts of terror but all Muslims (at least by some) are expected to take responsibility for that terror.

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.[/QUOTE

You are conveniently forgetting how it all began with an invasion of one country by another and fears that the aggressor in Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It was discovered that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after a war and the Labour party were voted from power to the point all you Labour devotees try to pretend they were a different party. Let's not forget the vote not to intervene in Syria early in the conflict when it might have helped people being bombarded and gassed by their own government was prevented for no other reason than political one upmanship by Labour.

If you want throw around blame start with Labour and follow on with religious insanity.

I know who would support foreign invasions even less than the few children who have tragically lost their lives in terrorist attacks in the UK and that's he tens of thousands of children in the Middle-East who have lost their lives in those greed motivated foreign invasions whose deaths are rarely even acknowledged by the rest of the World.

It's still stupid to use that as an excuse for people born and raised here carrying out terror attacks.

[QUOTE=jaxie;9622328]Excellent point.

it is indeed, their parents must be in despair. Watch the State, a thoroughly researched drama about ISIS and it's influence on young some highly educated muslim's in the UK

Oh wow, the dumb-as-a-post xenophobia battering ram really is in full swing in this thread :joker:.

He must have been easily identified, he would have had to get on the train at the first stop to have got a large bulky item like that in the place that he did.

quelle surprise, the usual racist jibe to direct attention away from what is actually happening :joker:

http://www.e-ir.info/2015/03/09/one-...asion-of-iraq/

The above link highlights the myriad of reasons why the West invaded Iraq and 'lining their own pockets' was hardly a motive of any real significance in comparison to others. Your views on this are very much an opinion piece with no real basis other then conjecture. I'd like to see you try to dismiss this link as purely an uninformed opinion piece.

Terrorism from The Middle East hardly started purely as a result of the invasion of Iraq, it was around long before that and WAS a significant reason for the invasion. The Middle East and ISIS don't appear to need much in the way of such an excuse to hate the West as hate seems to be something they understand very well and indeed thrive on.

We see signs of that here in the West right now to a lesser degree with the over-sensitivity, and sometimes extreme reaction to any criticism of a religion by so-called moderates, i.e. that Islam should be protected from Western humour and jokes when all reglions are exposed to this - through to the more extreme control of Sharia Law and terror attacks.