And what’s frightening, particularly with all the allegations of male assaults on women and young girls of late, is that there are a lot of Savills out there. Any man could just claim to feel like a woman and gain access to female changing rooms and other areas and vulnerable women such as young girls. Commonsense has flown the coup with complete abandonment.

When I had my cancer scare, I didn't care whether or not the doctor handling my bits was a man or woman or anything in between, I just wanted to know whether I had cancer or not. I imagine when faced with the prospect of Cancer, most people would ultimately feel the same way.

Self certification, as much as I disagree with it, won't affect the preferences of patients. If a female patient wants a woman to do the smear test then a woman will do the smear, this was just a clerical mistake that was corrected.

Your last sentence just made me laugh, we've gone from blaming immigrants and the EU costing the NHS money to blamings Trans nurses and doctors :joker: What next, Single mothers?

what would have been the reaction if a male doctor had been assigned through a clerical error? I suggest it would have been dealt with in a civilised way without any drama. So, my question is why is this treated any differently?

In large organisations, mistakes happen

That's such a silly generalist argument that could apply to ANYTHING and nothing.

The idea that a peado would somehow get themselves certified as a trans woman just to molest people is so silly and to use such a ridiculously rare if not non existent argument in a debate is just pointless. Whether you intended to or not (I'm leaning towards the former) you equated trans people to peadophiles.

Spot on brillo...and couple what you say with the pressure a government must feel to tick the boxes of minority whateverers...they, the paedos have the loophole...


And people moan if conservative dont tick those boxes, god help us if numbnuts gets in....cause i hope im asleep for that.

Except that's not going to happen. It's just irrational to think that could become the norm and it's harmful as you are basically suggesting that trans people are more likely to sexually abuse someone because they might only be claiming to be trans just for some pretend idea that it means they can get away with molesting people.

"Certified"as a transwoman.

Congrats, you know how to use speech marks, got anything to add to the topic or?

Perfectly put Smudgie :wavey:

Even though ive demonstrated in london against paedos and the establishment along side many sexually confused individuals....dont make me post video evidence cause there will be retaliation evidence needed about your humanness needed.

I have also had a cancer scare in the past and I did care. Women tend to be more private that way. You see it in simple things like changing rooms where men nearly always walk around naked in friont of each other. Women not so much. Men pee in front of each other something women never do. Whether you want to see it or admit it or not there are distinct differences between men and women this way.

Does everyone really have to feel like you to have their feelings and opinions validated?

As a woman I always insist on a woman for smear tests,I find them highly embarrassing and IF a guy was to do it I wouldn't have one,simple as that. Not everyone is happy to flaunt their genitals at the drop of a hat.

Yeah, it's done under local anaesthetic :joker:. I wish I could say I didn't feel a thing - but that's not true either, you can feel a sort of pulling / tugging with an ache like being kicked in the nuts, and I personally felt some "sharp" pain when they were stitching up, too.

All while the senior nurse was reassuringly patting my chest and telling me I was doing well for not crying, and the student was asking me about Irish Lotto! Bloody surreal...

I had my first pap smear/catheter at 12 by a male doctor as I was way too intimidated by doctors at that point to ask for anything else. I could tell it was really uncomfortable for him though (and my mom/grandmother was there), but it was a bit surreal.

To add to that, the nurse was screaming at me to relax. I somehow managed to tell her in my own shy 12-yr old to ****... and there I'm thinking "I have a tube embedded in me and it hurts like you would not believe, but you want me to RELAX? Sure Jan". I would've loved to have relaxed, that would've meant the whole thing would be over. But we can't always have nice things.

My point is I can understand wanting to have more control as a patient and not dealing pushy doctors or nurses.

I'm not sure which is worse, your story or mine. :laugh:

Whoa whoa whoa....ah got knocked oot, woke up to toast....mocked by the biggest bitch of an ex wife for walking solemenly up the hospital corridors as i suddenly realised my bollox wern't shaved for fashion.

Checking dates and saville movements

I'm not sure what kind of impact self identification would have, it's all purely hypothetical, but I'd assume that if someone had a preference for a biological woman to carry out the procedure then that would be adhered to regardless of self identification. I'm not sure. But honestly from my own point of view I really do think that with anything medical that gender shouldn't be an issue anyway. Whether it's a nurse/doctor/surgeon, whoever, they're medical professionals doing a job - if a surgeon is operating on you then they're going to see and touch your body, but should all surgeons operating on women also be women? There's nothing sexual or perverted in any of it, but many people do still associate trans with perversion and I think that's the real issue here, I do agree with bots that this wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow had it been a man assigned to do the test rather than a trans person. I think a lot of benefit would come from combating the fears and perceptions of trans people being perverted so women like those you speak of no longer feel uncomfortable. Because what is the alternative? Banning perfectly capable trans people from becoming medical professionals on the basis that they are trans, when these people could be saving lives?

Let’s clarify what I actually said shall we, not your interpretation. I did not say trans people were more likely to sexually abuse someone - I said that if any man can simply claim to feel like a woman and is therefore a woman and can have easier access to women and girls, such a policy will be taken advantage of by some men and the real creeps will come out of the woodwork with such an opportunity presented to them.

Aren’t most rapes and other sexual attacks mainly opportunistic in nature.

I’m so reassured that a young guy on an internet site says it will never happen.

And to clarify, niether brillo, nor myself, are paedoes....we do however worry about the paedo slant on things....you all forget the most important skill of being a paedo is deviancy...



Now stop being so wrapped up in individuality ffs....that ended at 23.59 on the 31st of december 1989.....lgbtetcrights.....to me, and my view that the world is run by paedophilles...straights have **** lives too....only we get mocked on jeremy kyle for it...bloody teens with crappy parents who cant undetstand why there sons or daughters fancy the same sex get a whole new chapter and verse written for them.

How long ago was that?? For me it was like 20 minutes in and out :joker:... I'm lead to believe that that's pretty standard these days. Into a booth, changed into a gown, into the surgical room, lie back, jab jab snip snip (that's one of the worst bits... You can hear the tubes snipping), cup of coffee and a biscuit, clothes back on and **** off.

I think I might have had some mild PTSD for about 6 months afterwards...

Well it was late 90s...nothing medical to say otherwise....


Just me and smirking bitch waving bye bye to me or me peanuts..... left alone with the least cool bag out of 4 blokes who are clutching slightly less gormlessly looking bags less gormessly than me....

Prototypes for the manbag...thats me...explaining away the embarrassment...to my head bowed head shaking mates.

Jab...asleep...toast an hour later........pss dont mock the cup.

Ridiculous to make an issue of an error, yes people have a choice but come on these people are professionals!
In an emergency situation or in childbirth for instance does anyone care who treats them?... No, of course not they're there to do a job.

What a horrible prejudiced non story :(

I agree.