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Alf 12-01-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ja$e (Post 9789595)
"Shagging" is such a British word :joker:

The word Bonking should make a comeback.

Vicky. 12-01-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9789603)
I dont either at the question you asked (not every single time anyway, obviously its influenced by transphobia sometimes). But that last paragraph again isnt what anybody is talking about haha.

The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

bots 12-01-2018 07:59 PM

is it discriminatory to not want to date old people, is it discriminatory to not want to date people not in your geographic region. The whole concept of it being discriminatory is a joke

Northern Monkey 12-01-2018 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9789541)
No it is not. A transwoman is a male person. If a guy is straight, he is perfectly within his rights to say no to dating a male person. As are lesbians. And ditto straight women dating transmen or gay men and transmen.

Its actually fairly rapey to say that anyone should shag anyone else or be called a bigot. Coercion is not good.

:clap1:
Totally 100%

Trying to sexually coerce people by guilt tripping them or blackmailing them is as you say fairly rapey.

Northern Monkey 12-01-2018 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9789631)
is it discriminatory to not want to date old people, is it discriminatory to not want to date people not in your geographic region. The whole concept of it being discriminatory is a joke

Good point :clap1:

I can’t even believe it’s got to this stage.It’s surreal tbh

Brother Leon 12-01-2018 08:07 PM

No. It's a sexual preference.

Withano 12-01-2018 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9789616)
The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

Well now we gotta talk about what people mean by 'date'. You went straight to sex, vicky! Im not sure if others did..

I guess as far as sex goes, its more about turn-ons and turn-offs, and I can see why a person might think that wanting to **** a person until they learn that they're trans is transphobic.. when actually theres more to it. Being turned off by fake tits, or fake cock isnt transphobic, being turned off by the sheer thought of transsexualism is to some people.

Thinking about it, this entire week long debate has probably just been down by individual interpretations of different words haha. Theres so many ways to think about it.

kystal555 12-01-2018 08:16 PM

No if u don't want to date a transexual they don't have to that's ridiculous most men like real woman

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smudgie 12-01-2018 08:23 PM

No.
You date whoever you fancy, gay, straight, bi, or transitional (plus any I have missed out).
You can't be accountable for who turns you on.:shrug:

jaxie 12-01-2018 08:50 PM

Of course not. You can't tell people who to be attracted to. Or bully them into it.

Vicky. 12-01-2018 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9789715)
Well now we gotta talk about what people mean by 'date'. You went straight to sex, vicky! Im not sure if others did..

I bloody hope its not just me that leapt to sex rather than dating. Surely not just me with a filthy mind :laugh:

Alf 12-01-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9790156)
I bloody hope its not just me that leapt to sex rather than dating. Surely not just me with a filthy mind :laugh:

Sex mad you are.

Tom4784 12-01-2018 09:34 PM

Of course it isn't. There's not much of a debate about it to be had tbh. You can't guilt trip someone into having a relationship with someone they don't want to.

iRyan 12-01-2018 09:55 PM

I’d consider myself an ally and advocate for the trans community, but I don’t think this question should even be up for debate. Sexual preferences should never be considered discrimination.

Marsh. 12-01-2018 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9789715)
Well now we gotta talk about what people mean by 'date'. You went straight to sex, vicky! Im not sure if others did..

I guess as far as sex goes, its more about turn-ons and turn-offs, and I can see why a person might think that wanting to **** a person until they learn that they're trans is transphobic.. when actually theres more to it. Being turned off by fake tits, or fake cock isnt transphobic, being turned off by the sheer thought of transsexualism is to some people.

Thinking about it, this entire week long debate has probably just been down by individual interpretations of different words haha. Theres so many ways to think about it.

Well if they're not someone you're ever going to want a sexual relationship with then what's the point in dating them?

Smithy 12-01-2018 10:15 PM

I think it’s a bit of a grey area, and like I said in another thread, if I was attracted to a tear and person I’d date them, but I wouldn’t want to sleep with them if I hadn’t had the work done downstairs

I think ruling out every single trans person is slightly discriminatory, say for example


Aydian, so without even meeting him people would rule him out just because he’s trans? I just don’t get the logic to it, every case is gonna be different so you can just generalise and say I wouldn’t date a trans person

Vicky. 12-01-2018 10:20 PM

He is pretty hot. But if he hasn't had the ops I wouldn't be interested as people who look like men and have fannys are of no interest to me. And if he had had the op done I wouldnt shag him as the constructed penises are just awful and nothing like real ones.

Either way, he probably wouldn't shag me as I am approaching middle age ( :( ) and he is much hotter than me. So I doubt he cares :laugh:

Its rare for transpeople to pass that well though and I think most people know that so will associate trans with...'women' who look like blokes, and 'blokes' who just look like butch women. Its also a seriously low number of transpeople who have full SRS so large chances are, a transwoman will have a dick, and a transman a fanjo.

Marsh. 12-01-2018 10:20 PM

His nipples look painted on. :think:

Marsh. 12-01-2018 10:21 PM

How is 30 middle age. :o

Vicky. 12-01-2018 10:23 PM

Apparently 35 is middle aged :( I am closer to 40 thaan I am to 20. Which is lovely

Maru 12-01-2018 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9789616)
The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

This is how I feel, especially what you said in the end, because it's true. It should come out in the open. I think a lot of the reasons now we are seeing conversations like these on TV is because people on both sides of the issue have gotten over their personal self-consciousness and not letting their speech be dictated by those around them.

Yes, this has put politics more into the mainstream and has made certain elements that are more divisive bubble to the surface, but we're also now seeing a silent majority/middle-ground that does speak for itself now on both sides of the issues.


Anyway, would it be considered amoral if someone who boasted watching transporn chronically declared they would never date a transperson... but without having explicitly stated something clearly bigoted, can we assume their hearts and say they are bigoted without more evidence? After all, you can have sex or do certain acts for lust, but that doesn't necessarily lead to passionate love...

If I'm honest, I think this area is where gender/sexual labels cause more confusion than help us to understand our individual motivators, because sexual trysts are a different beast than marriage I think. I feel like this is where humans can't be put into boxes, because if we're honest, relationships are a bit of a social construct and instincts/urges don't necessarily play nicely with our man-made sense of order (i.e. society).. it feels like it's applying social constructs to something that normally is about being liberated from our personal boxes (i.e. porn, fantasy play, one-night stands, etc).. no one cares if they're violating social norms when they watch porn or choose a sexual partner, actually, that's the thrill sometimes isn't it?

Lstan 12-01-2018 11:36 PM

No its not. No one is owed a relationship and sex, and there is a huge difference between denying someone their rights in the general sense to denying having a relationship with them.

This is an issue that has come up in the lgbt community as I have seen lesbians being called all things under the sun for not wanting to date transwomen and its disgusting.

Lstan 12-01-2018 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg (Post 9789519)
This is what the TV Licence money goes towards :facepalm:

That and covering up paedo rings.

Tom4784 13-01-2018 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9790757)
Apparently 35 is middle aged :( I am closer to 40 thaan I am to 20. Which is lovely

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Mystic Mock 13-01-2018 03:18 AM

You can't help it if you might not be attracted to the person.

Transphobia or any kind of prejudice only exists when you hate them because of what they are, not because you might not be sexually attracted to them, that's my view on it anyway.


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