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Kizzy 23-03-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9928791)
then have charity workers do that, imo

Would the charity workers have to be black, otherwise what's the difference?

Kizzy 23-03-2018 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9928801)
I would direct that question to the people who run business and government there. ie the people who live there.

ok

Twosugars 23-03-2018 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9928806)
Would the charity workers have to be black, otherwise what's the difference?

they can be white, preferably based on the ground
the difference would be that they do that day in day out, it's their life passion, not a holiday, however well-meaning

smudgie 23-03-2018 01:13 PM

Ok Mr.Lammy, we will stop showing the poor people in Africa, and then stop donating.
Just what that solves is a mystery to me.:shrug:

jaxie 23-03-2018 01:15 PM

I think the films with celebrities create publicity and publicity is good for charity. This feels like someone making an issue where there doesn't really need to be one perhaps. I've found some reports very moving and still remember them like the ones on malaria with David Tennant and Lenny Henry with the children who lived in the slum and he bought them a new house.

Maybe its about perspectives. Personally I've never thought of Africa as 'dirty' and I find the promotion of that idea in poor taste from all aspects. I do think of Africa as being largely poor, often run by dictators who help keep it that way by lining their own corrupt pockets. By helping educate and survival trough charity you hope you help sew the seeds of change for future generations you hope.

I've been donating to Zimbabwe's forgotten children since that documentary was first shown and without media I would never have known about it. As a result of the documentary many schools and children have been helped across the country by paying the fees for children to attend and making sure they have a good meal every day. I've found it something very inspirational to be involved with but it doesn't have the exposure that comic relief has and those celebrities are probably part of the reason for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0mKndUkWik

http://zimbabweschildren.org/

Kizzy 23-03-2018 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9928813)
they can be white, preferably based on the ground
the difference would be that they do that day in day out, it's their life passion, not a holiday, however well-meaning

So to promote a charity you have to be a charity worker only? That's rather restrictive and not at all beneficial to a cause such as comic relief.

Kizzy 23-03-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9928822)
I think the films with celebrities create publicity and publicity is good for charity. This feels like someone making an issue where there doesn't really need to be one perhaps. I've found some reports very moving and still remember them like the ones on malaria with David Tennant and Lenny Henry with the children who lived in the slum and he bought them a new house.

Maybe its about perspectives. Personally I've never thought of Africa as 'dirty' and I find the promotion of that idea in poor taste from all aspects. I do think of Africa as being largely poor, often run by dictators who help keep it that way by lining their own corrupt pockets. By helping educate and survival trough charity you hope you help sew the seeds of change for future generations you hope.

I've been donating to Zimbabwe's forgotten children since that documentary was first shown and without media I would never have known about it. As a result of the documentary many schools and children have been helped across the country by paying the fees for children to attend and making sure they have a good meal every day. I've found it something very inspirational to be involved with but it doesn't have the exposure that comic relief has and those celebrities are probably part of the reason for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0mKndUkWik

http://zimbabweschildren.org/

Well said Jaxie, thanks for the links :)

y.winter 23-03-2018 01:34 PM

Ridiculous. It has nothing to do to them being "white" - they are celebrities nd they are being used to promote a good cause.
Calling them "white saviours" is mainly racist. Is sending a black celebrity (=privileged) better?
Nonsense.

arista 23-03-2018 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9928745)
They whole thing needs scrapping


I agree.

Tom4784 23-03-2018 02:24 PM

I always found those appeals grotesque as it's always about the celeb and not really about the people these charities are meant to help. When you hear the news stories it's always '_____ brought to tears on Comic Relief trip to Africa' and words to that effect, we're supposed to care more about the millionaires' tears then we are about the reason why they are there.

jaxie 23-03-2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9928830)
Well said Jaxie, thanks for the links :)

:wavey: You're welcome. It's a really harrowing documentary to watch you might need a big box of tissues!

Cherie 23-03-2018 02:57 PM

Will tune in later for Michael McIntyres midnight game show with Andy Murray, two more white saviours

Cherie 23-03-2018 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9928779)
Celebs could still provide entertainment and make appeals, just not star in those reports from Africa. Instead let the locals tell the story.

then they would be accused of not getting their hands dirty, you can't win, that said this has been going on for years and we haven't enough mosquito nets or clean water yet despite all the millions sent, it really is time to scrap it

chuff me dizzy 23-03-2018 03:30 PM

Glad Ive never watched this load of tripe

Crimson Dynamo 23-03-2018 03:57 PM

Welcome to Sheeran-ville! Newly-engaged Ed Sheeran splashes out £1.5m on TWO MORE houses next door to his Suffolk mansion (which will soon have an underground man cave)


Ed Sheeran, The singer, 26, is said to be worth a huge £40million and now owns four homes close to one another
He is building an underground ‘man cave’, with a music room and cinema...


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/...6785601433.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/...6636798178.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...s-mansion.html


Ed Sheeran buys £2million ranch right next door to Taylor Swift

Lego House star bought plush property in the States three weeks ago as a 22nd birthday present to himself

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incomin...%20Sheeran.jpg

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...-ranch-1794568

Twosugars 23-03-2018 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9928894)
then they would be accused of not getting their hands dirty, you can't win, that said this has been going on for years and we haven't enough mosquito nets or clean water yet despite all the millions sent, it really is time to scrap it

they'd do what they do best - entertain, free of charge, so that'd be their contribution and their way of mucking in

as to why there's still not enough, you have point; I think we all would like to know for example how the money raised last time was distributed, like a proper breakdown, and then shown how it was used and where, again with clear signs of progress and what and why is still needed, in short, strict and clear accountability

chuff me dizzy 23-03-2018 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9928922)
Welcome to Sheeran-ville! Newly-engaged Ed Sheeran splashes out £1.5m on TWO MORE houses next door to his Suffolk mansion (which will soon have an underground man cave)


Ed Sheeran, The singer, 26, is said to be worth a huge £40million and now owns four homes close to one another
He is building an underground ‘man cave’, with a music room and cinema...


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/...6785601433.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/...6636798178.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...s-mansion.html


Ed Sheeran buys £2million ranch right next door to Taylor Swift

Lego House star bought plush property in the States three weeks ago as a 22nd birthday present to himself

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incomin...%20Sheeran.jpg

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...-ranch-1794568

Good on him !! his cash to spend as he chooses

kirklancaster 23-03-2018 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9928761)
We wouldn't be doing it if they weren't would we?

Not all the celebs are white that highlight issues in Africa, I can't help but think it's counterproductive, for genuinely involved people like Ed Sheeran to reduce him to his skin colour to prohibit him from contributing his money and efforts is unfair and effectively prejudiced.

The UK is predominantly a white country, there will be white people donating, what's wrong with white people promoting the cause? :/

In the name of inclusion and integration this is a bad call, worse it's regressive. The image of the colonialist white saviour was nothing like Ed Sheeran... surely that's apparent?

I'm amazed at myself :hee: But credit where it's due:

I TOTALLY agree. Well said. :clap1:

kirklancaster 23-03-2018 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by y.winter (Post 9928833)
Ridiculous. It has nothing to do to them being "white" - they are celebrities nd they are being used to promote a good cause.
Calling them "white saviours" is mainly racist. Is sending a black celebrity (=privileged) better?
Nonsense.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well written Y.Winter.

It is RACIST and it is NONSENSE.

Celebrities figure-heading these Charity appeals are usually 'Current' and do NOT need to cynically use such broadcasts to 'Promote' themselves.

They are doing it because they CARE.

They have been approached by the charity/Appeal organisers specifically BECAUSE these Celebrities ARE Celebrities - to attract as large an audience as possible and retain the interest of that audience in the hope that as many of that audience as possible is actually 'moved' by the 'message' to cause them to donate.

This is the very reason why Celebrities are paid ludicrous fees to advertise and endorse products in commercials - IT WORKS and SALES INCREASE.

I find the term 'White-Saviour; unnecessary, offensive and annoying, and I'm not even White.

Brother Leon 23-03-2018 05:46 PM

Surely a compromise would be to use Celebs originally from that Country? Problem solved.

Marsh. 23-03-2018 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9928772)
And funny how often its the artists who have something to sell themselves that miraculously are able to donate "their time" to the cause.....

Surely all artists have "something to sell", that's how they earn a living.

You'd be hard pressed to find a celebrity who isn't selling something. Their fortune doesn't fall from the sky.

Wizard. 23-03-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9928763)
It's not just that it's insulting, it furthers an image of Africa as "poor and dirty" that actively damages Africa, stops African nations from being taken seriously as real nations, and KEEPS African people in a cycle of poverty. African nations need help being taken seriously as places where real trade, tourism, and economic development can occur for things to ever change in any meaningful way... they don't need Ed Sheeran digging a well whilst wiping a single tear from his cheek.

I agree. Reminds me of a funny video african people made up about donating radiators to Norwegians because there country's cold :joker:


Crimson Dynamo 23-03-2018 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9929071)
Surely all artists have "something to sell", that's how they earn a living.

You'd be hard pressed to find a celebrity who isn't selling something. Their fortune doesn't fall from the sky.

there are tons who do not have any current material. they have to write and record. you watch the up and coming stuff they will all have current stuff on offer

Marsh. 23-03-2018 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9929084)
there are tons who do not have any current material. they have to write and record. you watch the up and coming stuff they will all have current stuff on offer

But then if they had nothing you'd say, look at them trying to get relevance back, trying to garner interest for a comeback. They can't win.

Crimson Dynamo 23-03-2018 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9929093)
But then if they had nothing you'd say, look at them trying to get relevance back, trying to garner interest for a comeback. They can't win.

lets just say its not the goodness of their hearts..


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