Problem is, some of the public are so stupid and say that 'bitching' is 'bullying' which therefore means theyll be no bitching this year.

Yeah there needs to be a little bit of tension ir BB would be pretty dull, not everyone gets on thats life

They never would create a racist-divide in any BB or CBB in the future, that is obvious and hasn't been suggested within this thread. Nobody is condoning racism and nobody is expecting it to happen in any future shows either. But in real life, it does occur, serious & humourous

But Endemol are in control of the editors and the editors should have noticed what many, many thousand complained about at that time. Also, those who did not complain at the time, will have spotted it anyway. Jade Goody and her friends formed into a little group. Little groups can form anywhere, you know:wink: The group which formed in the CBB house in January, just found Shilpa Shetty to be patronising and awful. They just did not click with her. If Shilpa had not been Shilpa, but instead, "A white housemate called (Pippa) "Let's say", there would NOT have been the furore, even if the arguing and bullying was more serious. We all know this, so it's hardly worth going over, time & time again, even for some who can't see that. Jade Goody and her friends are hated today by many and naturally people have a right to their opinion!

That is very, very true. Timing is everything. But I just have this obvious feeling that Endemol have profit margins on their minds and even though it is nice to point out the obvious downsides. The new rule-book will make things worse and worse is no good:sad: Nobody is in the "favour" business, where Endemol is concerned. No decent ratings!! No BB9 or CBB6 either. Richard Branson's people will be watching this space closely, trust me

Could be a double-edge sword really!! Many younger viewers who are still at school, may decide to tape it instead, also, there will be other downsides too

That is absolutely true. It is part of the show and the New Rules will spoil things, maybe too badly:sad:

I never saw that show and from what I hear, I am glad I did miss it

Not true. The reason these new rules have been put into place, is because the editors from Endemol didn't edit the CBB5 show properly. They saw, huge profit and great ratings and were blinded by the possibilities which came from this possible racial situation between Shilpa and the three girls. If they had warned all three girls and showed nothing controversial like we witnessed, then the shows ratings wouldn't have risen. There would have been NO furore and NO investigations or new rules for BB8 & the future would have ever happened. Jade, Jo & Danielle + Jack also, would have walked away like angels:angel: But instead, their lives were turned upside-down by bad editing

Some like to think so:rolleyes:








nodisharmony :angel:

It was implied in this thread that Endemol created a racist-divide by making a making adjustments, which lead towards the race-furore. It was also implied that this was done to increase viewing ratings for the show and so increase profits.

Let me point out Emdemol where not responsible for the formation of groups in the the house or for Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches patronising bulling. If Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches had kept there dirty big mouths shut then none of the new rules would have been needed. Hence my claim they are to blame ultimately for the new rules being put in place. Endemol and Channel 4 are just responding to the fall out from the incident that they created. Jade Gobby and her little dog bitches should consider themselves lucky that Endemol and Channel 4 defend them so well while the show was on and during OFCOM's investigation.

As for your little personal digs at me I rise above them and won't give the them a moment of thought but in passing.

The race furore was caused by Endemol choosing to keep in the show, words & comments which may be construed to some as having racial overtones. All words and comments came from Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd. But Jack Tweed has been mentioned more as late

It did increase ratings. By increasing ratings, more profits will follow naturally.

[b]I can agree that Endemol is not responsible for groups forming. That will always happen in life. Jade Goody is well known for speaking her mind and does it in her own kind of way, which does offend some people. Whether she is just playing to the cameras, well, thats debatable... It was Shilpa who was patronising. Even the kept-in footage spoke volumes on that score. But we actually see so little, so it's hard to judge, what actually happened to spark this problem off. Some say it was Shilpa's cooking of the chicken, but, but, but, maybe NOT??

To Shilpa, or To Ken or To Dirk? All got some sort of hostilities from the three girls, but only one of the three I mentioned was a non-white housemate and as Shilpa Shetty was definately the most disliked housemate out of those three, it was inevitable that problems would occur and certainly did. Hense, race furore. But, sadly, once again, we come back to the editing crew who moderate the show. If you show that kind of footage, then it is easy to work out that a furore would follow.

The New Rules are something which has been decided by those who are at a higher level and this has come about due to Ofcom's recent investigation and also related to this "Limerick" thingy, which apparently is important:rolleyes: But like I have said in the first place. If a shows editing team can't edit properly and allow the remarks to come from all three girl's mouths stay in, as they were looking to make a bundle of cash, then it is Endemol who has to pay the ultimate price for not doing their job properly at the time

The Big Brother show, managed & owned by Endemol, who broadcast their show on Channel 4 have to be left accountable. Passing the blame onto a housemate or housemates is proving to some, that the housemates are the one's who are in control. That can't be the case, can it??

Well, they have to, you see:wink: They had NO choice. It's a legal thingy. Not a favour thingy.

My only dig, was about your obvious dislike of all three girls. But naturally you have your opinion and I respect that and I hope you do the same in return, respectwise, that is!





nodisharmony :angel:

Im so glad there are rules being made to stop people ganging up. I switched off from celeb bb as soon as they started that horrible gang thing and its the thing that always ruins bb. My favourite was bb7, which nearly got ruined because of the gangs but as soon as the gang leaders were thrown out it became brilliant!!

This will be the best ever bb!:dance2::dance2:

May be the Endemol decided to keep the footage in the highlights program because it felt that the truth about Jade Gobby and her little lap dog bitches should be seen by the public so they could decide their fate. Some people might think it was in the best interests of the public that this little group of worthless people were shown in their true light and not edited to look good. These same people would say that Endemol has done us a big favor in helping destroy their careers and knock them off the pedestals some people put people like this on. Of course some people will think they are whiter than white and their views will unfortunately never be changed and they will always defend them over and over again and view them as Goddesses not to be touched.

I would imagine the extra income from larger audience figures was balanced out in the end by the loss to the the show of the income from the phone voting. Further to this given all the employee time spent after the show on the OFCOM compliant I would expect the show in real terms made less of a profit than was expected. This would seem the case looking at the profit figures of Channel 4.

I fear the Jade Gobby always speaks before putting her limited brain power into gear and she has always been a mindless patronising bully with a limited view on the world. I guess it was inevitable she would form surround herself with a group of like minded people to praise her from on high. There was no excuse for what she did in the house or her little dog bitches. People should respect other people especially when they have to live under the same roof. Yes Shilpa was different from her and her little gang but that was no reason to do what they did.

Jade Gobby and little lap dog bitches should take responsibility for what they have done and not continue to blame it on Endemol and then her fans might be able to do the same and move on. One must remember that they said what they said and Endemols mistake was to show it on national television in the way they did. At the end of the day if they hadn't said and did what they did then there wouldn't have been a problem. So I'm afraid that the blame can not be easily diverted from them. If that means the new Big Brother show is heavily regulated until the point of boredom then they will be ultimately to blame. I feel trying blame someone else for Jade Gobby and the her little dog bitches is a pointless task and thank less task given the evidence against them.

It really isnt looking good, the way this is going there is going to be no arguements what so ever :bawling:

Right, here goes:wink:

That was a possibility, but I would actually state a very, very, very good guess and say, that it was actually about money & absolutely nothing whatsoever else

But this theory is sadly not a very good idea, as if it were true, then why bring these three girls into the BB house. I furthermore say, that nobody was psychic and would actually have no idea that Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd were going to make lovely friends with the talented Jade Goody either

But Danielle Lloyd is doing fine:thumbs: Jade Goody is doing okay and is preparing for a comeback and is having a baby and is really all over Jack Tweed. Jo O'Meara is NOT doing so well, so I guess it has hurt her most. But Endemol are not in the favour business. It is "Money Please" or ******* Off. That is just the business way:rolleyes:

I can see that they are whiter than white in their complexions, ain't that the truth:rolleyes: But, in personality, they will have faults, as-do-we-all. Naturally, they will have their supporters and some haters get trodden on by accident, kind of getting in the way as such

It is all possible, but Endemol were probably thinking of a Royal Flush or something. Complete and total victory!!

Well that is just the way things go, when you make experiments. But they gave it a good shot anyway

Jade Goody is more clever than many do think actually. She is quite aware of what actually makes reality shows profitable. She has "John Noel",you know:wink: He will know a thing or twenty:wink:

Known her since birth have we:rolleyes: She has done three shows and come over rather agressive in her mannerisms, but Jade Goody does that. Maybe it is just her bad luck meeting a few waste-of-time-types or something:rolleyes:

Jade knows best:wink: less limited than some would think

Jade Goody warmed with Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd. They found the argument, oh-so-funny:laugh::laugh: The two girls just agreed with Jade Goody and they all shared the same opinion of Shilpa. Some people just don't get on, some enjoy it too

If you don't "click", you don't "click", it's just the way the cookie crumbles. It was just one of those things.

Shilpa Shetty could have stopped that argument, at least two minutes into it. I watched the footage again & again and Shilpa kept annoying Jade Goody and Jo & Danielle too. But they were rom different worlds and cultures, thats all

There is always problems in BB shows, this is a whole different thing. It is about Racism and that's it, hense, race-furore

I could spot that visually and from watching the whole show, I could also see her demeaner towards the three girls. There was a kind of tension

Anylising it won't change it, you know:conf:

But they will blame Endemol, as it was them who should have edited out such material which may have offended and indeed did. Jade Goody was very sorry for her bullying of Shilpa and was indeed upset and did what she could to make ammends. She did not have to do that. Look what Jo & Danielle did? Much less, I must say.

Most people want to move on anyway. BB8 is here in a short while and whether someone is a fan or not. It is quite easy to work out, that placing this behind us, instead of Ofcom, dredging it back towards us again, must be a better way for all. Fans & NON-Fans alike:thumbs:

None of us is likely to forget, that is pretty obvious really. If Endemol chooses to show footage which will obviously offend, then the end justified the means and Ofcom are right ready, right now

If you didn't drop an egg on the floor, it wouldn't smash. But Endemol allowed the footage to be shown and then the furore followed. That is now called hind-sight

Well I am afraid it has to be the opposite once again:sleep::sleep:

It is the sudden Ofcom investigation which has prompted the New Rule book to be written. Boredom may follow, unless Endemol can be very sneaky and clever:wink:

Endemol

It's not a problem worth much more attention. Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd are now walking freely away from this little, little problem. But at the time, it was a nightmare. But we all get them at some point, ain't that the truth:rolleyes:





nodisharmony :angel:

I think its daily star trash, but you right. If its true this will be boring and rubbish. They should have a rule about racism but having rules against agism and bullying is stupid; what defines bullying anyway? and why cant the daily star write properly 'they must bullying others in the house' is how that reads to me lol. If someone says 'shut up bob, i hate you, you bore me you old fart' would they get kicked out? because that could be seen as bullying and ageism which big brother doesn't tolerate :conf2:. I'm hoping this is just balls.

I might be speaking out of turn here - seeing as it's only my second post - but as far as I'm concerned Jade Goody is a bully. I believe Jo and Danielle were afraid of her; it was obvious by their fake laughs and silly suck-up comments. And yes, they were jealous of Shilpa but the way they sided with Jade was deplorable.
Big Bro should have stepped in much sooner to confront Jade (who nearly died when she realised she could go bankrupt) about her comments and bully tactics but that would have made it even more obvious [to the public] that there really was a problem and that they (BB) didn't know what to do about it.

As far as I'm concerned, it's wrong for someone to watch a programme and believe it's okay to observe another person being humiliated, slandered and bullied ~ it's just not normal, well, not the way I was raised!

I used to think Jade was alright - a self-made millionaire - but now I think she's a loud-mouthed ignoramus!

You are right about the Daily Star Newspaper Bigbrotherin:thumbs:

They have come up with some real rubbish and plenty of that is to do with Big Brother and it's housemates, etc..

There has always been a rule concerning racism and that is one of the reasons why, they edited out the "limerick" that Jo & Jack were mainly involved with. Plus, they were issued with formal warnings, apparently:rolleyes:

These new rules are going way over-the-top and this will mean that the new housemates will have to be on their best behavior and if any start to argue, they will probably be asked to go to the Diary Room and once in there, they shall be chucked out by a side-door or something.

This is a very unfair rule-book. Remember, the new show has a 10pm slot and that is well after the watershed.

The book also goes on about "language" too, so what about "swearing?"







nodisharmony :angel:

Not at all, moonwolf :eureka:

Nobody is going to agree on everything. Especially where Jade Goody is concerned. She is hated by many right now.

I don't think that Jo & Danielle were afraid of her. It was just that they liked the way Jade Goody came across. Remember moonwolf, she wasn't arguing all of the time.

Even the footage that was shown, wasn't too bad really, except for the bad bits, which BB loves to show and focus in on. There are 24 hours in a day. So Jade may sleep for 8 hours and that leaves 15 hours of unshown footage, agreed:thumbs:

Then, the last 1 hour, won't be footage of just Jade Goody either. probably 15 minutes only, perhaps?

So the massive section of unshown footage could show so much more of the lighter and funnier and nicer side of Jade, which BB chooses NOT to show us. This will paint a much less prettier picture of Jade Goody and indeed, Jo & Danielle too.
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I don't think they were jealous of Shilpa Shetty. There is very little to be jealous about, actually:yuk:

Shilpa has money and she is attractive to some, but that's it really. Maybe she had a superiority complex and looked down at the housemates as pretty lower class or something, who knows??
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Jade Goody was obviously upset, when she had realised what had occured and I doubt that money was on her mind at that point.

Jade has spent a lot of money recently and over-spending is what many celebrities do and this was the wrong time for Jade to spend, spend, spend, just after this. But that is her choice.

She is NOT bankcrupt either. Well, not yet:sad:
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Sadly, reality shows like this BB show, are always like this. I remember watching Celebrity Love Island and there was some real bust up's between them and plenty of swearing to.

But there is a buttons on every TV remote control, whereby someone can easily turn the channel over.

It is a matter of choice
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Jade Goody came over badly and I can understand anybody thinking that she is very loudmouthed, etc... But as the footage shown, is microscopic in comparison to actually, what is filmed, also, as Jade Goody has only done three shows like this and all the other appearances on TV shows, interviews and other stuff, certainly paint a much better picture of Jade Goody, than we see in these massively edited down footage.

But naturally, some think otherwise.








nodisharmony :angel:

They certainly do. Jade Gobby and her gang of little dog bitches cowardly bullies who refuse to accept what they did and blame it on others. Like I keep saying, and will continue to say over and over again, they are respouncible for Endemol having to put rules in place which spoil this years shows. If they hadn't have done what they did then the rules would be needed.

Simple really.

and if Shilpa Shetty had not been there?????








nodisharmony :angel:

They would have picked on someone else, it just might not have had racist overtones.

So now we are saying the new rules are Shilpa Shetty fault because she was bullied in the house by Gobby and her little dog bitches!

No Shilpa Shetty, No past Racial-furore

Take the "Race" word out of the equasion

Ofcom would not have had to bring this present investigation up right now, at the worst possible time too.

Jade Goody was accused of bullying on the original BB show, but then after, she went from strength to strength.

Like I say, take Shilpa Shetty out of the equasion and replace the problem, then arrive at the present day, it would have been different.





nodisharmony :angel:

So the whole affair had nothing to do with Goddy and her little dog bitches, they were just innocent victims?

Jade Goody & Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd said words and comments that may be construed by some as containing possible racial overtones.

There is NO denying that part.

But, as there are camera's and microphones all over the BB house, then BB will be aware of everything that get said, agreed:thumbs:

If Endemol allow these words and comments to stay in, then it is natural that it is going to offend many people.

We all saw that, didn't we? agreed:thumbs:

If Endemol had decided to "edit out" every word & comment which may had been construed as racist, then, nobody would have complained and there would have been no investigation today.

Jade Goody's part in this, was obvious to see, agreed:thumbs:

But, as the person in question, "Shilpa Shetty" was an Indian woman, this made all the difference, as the "Race" card was played and once that happens, there will naturally be a problem.

All three of these girls have been accused of being racist people and that is incorrect.

Everything which was said in the BB house at that time, was just words and comments which have been construed as having possible racial overtones and that is it.

Just because of that, they are hated like mad and labelled as full-time racist people.

That is untrue and infact quite bad!






nodisharmony :angel:

So we agreed that;

1. Goddy and her little dog bitches insulted Shilpa Shetty

2. Endemol has camera's and microphones all over the house and heard every thing that Goddy and her little dog bitches said and did.

3. That Goddy and her little dog bitches said things that were going to offend people including who they were aimed at.

4. Endemol decided not to edit out what said and complaints followed.

5. Goddy and her little dog bitches are responsible for what they did and said.

6. If Shilpa Shetty hadn't been in the house then the comments made by Goddy and her little dog bitches might not have had racist overtones.

So this leaves us with the fact if they hadn't have said what they did we wouldn't need rules in the house to stop bullying and racist remarks being made.

Almost getting there:rolleyes:

That is Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd. (They have names) They insulted Shilpa Shetty as they did not click with her and Shilpa told Jade to "Shut Up" & "Get Elecution Lessons", I can add more:wink: I would say it is six of one and half a dozen of the other, actually:rolleyes: Whatever the reason, it takes two to tango, or in this situation, 4 to tango

We all know that part. BB knows and sees it all:bigsmile:

It was no big plan or anything premeditated you know:eureka: It just happened! But they were not aware that Shilpa Shetty would be such royalty, just because she is an Indian housemate. Jade Goody pointed that out, "She is just an ordinary housemate, just like everyone else", But that wasn't the case, was it. As the Newspapers so quaintly said, "She is better than british??", that will get many people's backs up, I'm sure:eureka:

That is indeed true. Not so wise, was it:rolleyes: Except for their bank balance, due to increased ratings

Not true!! The responsibility still lies with Endemol, as regards to the BB show, there is still no escaping that part. However, if Jade Goody said those comments in a night club and Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd and Jack Tweed were all together as a group, that would be totally different. BB is a controlled and heavily policed environment. This strong dislike between Shilpa and the girls should have been policed properly in CBB5, but it wasn't. But I have to agree, that what happens elsewhere, like the "Night Club" example I have just mentioned, is a completely different type of scenario and will also have a similar problem, but on a microscopic scale, even if it did end up in the Daily Star or something.

If Shilpa Shetty had not been there and it had been a white housemate who Jade, Jo & Danielle had not clicked with, there would have been no problem. It is always different when it is white against white, that is proven by past Big Brothers, Agreed:thumbs:

With your theory, then (Yes)

But, with everything which I have taken into account, "Facts", (that is)...It is not such a clear-cut situation, but if you choose not to see that, then I guess we shall just have to agree to differ on this situation, Agreed:thumbs:







nodisharmony :angel:

So we can also agree that Gobby and her little dog bitches comments bulling Shilpa Shetty was racially motivated as well.

The thing we are stuck on is that the Gobby and her little dog bitches, are as you say, not responsible fro what they said and did and in fact Endemol are the ones to blame allowing Gobby and her little dog bitches to be in the house together with Shilpa Shetty.

What we saw in the shown footage has been labeled as containing hints towards racism, that means (overtones) That is very easy to do and mistakes like that are more accidental and using descriptive-references of an (Indian person or similar) but nothing serious.

I think that second paragraph of yours is a fair assumption.






nodisharmony :angel:

So why should Gobby and her little dog bitches get away with what they said and how it might affect Big Brother 8?

I said:-

I think that second paragraph of yours is a fair assumption.

What that means, is, that "fair assumption" which is another way of saying, "Someones opinion", ie "your's"

I said that, as it is obvious to anyone in the world, looking at your posts within this thread, that you personally don't like all three of them one bit. So it is natural that we shall have to find a point where we cannot agree much further, right:thumbs:

That is why I made that comment:- "fair assumption", I think that is as close as we can get to agreeing on this, "full stop."
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Regarding your new points:-

Why should Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd get away with this?

Well, the simple answer is:- (They haven't)

None of them have got away with this. Throughout there lives, this will always haunt them in "one way shape or form", everywhere they go, everytime Jade, Jo or even Danielle Lloyd, people will remember and it shall be fearful for all of them and for a very long time.

That is as far as it will go, regarding "punishments", that is!

I certainly wouldn't like to be either of them right now.

It is a difficult life to lead. But they just have to get on with it and the many haters who want them to go through more problems, well, there is a few people:angel: who are trying very hard to hault this:wink:

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Your other point regarding Big Brother 8 and how it has affected the upcoming show, because of apologies to Ofcom & the New rule-book, well, that's a decision which had to be made in light of Ofcom's further findings and Channel 4 & Endemol who didn't do the correct thing at the right time.

We've been down that road already within this thread.

Accountability at the highest level, once again...








nodisharmony :angel: