Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10039497)

I don't think testing to prolong human life is quite the same as testing to improve the conditions of the current human lifespan tbh. I agree we are overpopulated, but finding a cure for autism is not going to change that.

I also kind of see humans as parasites. Like they say in the matrix film , its always stuck with me. 'Infect' an area, kill it then move on. But we have nowhere to move on to now, so once we kill the world, thats it, and entirely our own doing.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10039503)

Why do we need to test on animals to find a cure for autism?

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10039524)

Because we cannot test on humans..next best thing.



I agree that the brain is not exactly the same and we don't quite know how our brains work.



The only other way is to test on humans, which would never happen. Yeah its fine for testing for flu cures and such (I was going to do that flucamp thing at one stage, partly for the cash and partly to actually help science develop), but it would never be allowed to happen for anything more serious. And we will never advance medically without a way to test potential cures. its a shame that dead people cannot be used for stuff like this really, I know cadavers are used in some stuff, but for brain issues surely they would have to be alive? IDK, I am not a scientist.



No idea, but I would like to see more checks being made on living conditions of animals both used for testing and used for food.



Surely this goes for eating meat too really. As awful as it sounds, a pet is an animal you actually know and like (generally). Animals for meat/testing are just random animals that its fairly easy to just put out of your mind :shrug:


Yup. Its depressing really thinking about it properly.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10039539)

Animals bred for meat, slaughtered and sold is not the same thing as putting an animal, a completely defenceless animal bred for the sole purpose of scientific tests. I'm not posting pictures here, but you must have seen some of the appalling stuff they do to animals? Their agony lasts until they're finally killed.

And yes, there are other ways of testing, rather than animal testing. I don't believe most scientists actually like torturing animals and there's a significant push from Scientists all over the world who are using other methods and developing other methods. For instance, in vitro tests using human cell and tissue cultures, computer models and simulations, stem cell and genetic testing, non-invasive imaging techniques such as MRIs and CT Scans and also
micro-dosing, giving people really small quantities of a drug to see what the effects are at a cellular level.

I truly believe that in a few decades time people will be appalled at what we used to do to animals in the name of science.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10039542)

theres a large chance we will have killed ourselves off by then. With nukes, more specifically is my thought.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10039542)

I haven't really seen pics no. As I said, out of sight out of mind kind of thing. I have seen videos and photos of the lives of animals bred for meat though, and also the way they are slaughtered in some places. I don't really see that its much different, except for that the ones bred for meat are killed younger.

I am not too sure we will still be here in a few decades time D: Reckon theres a large chance we will have killed ourselves off by then. With nukes, more specifically is my thought.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10039587)

Humans are the only animal that kills for sport.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10039595)

Cats do all the time

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10039596)

and foxes

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10039606)

Surprised by dolphins and elephants :eek:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10039596)

and foxes

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10039704)

That maybe so but their brains are supposedly not as advanced as ours they don't know they are causing pain and suffereing,it's play for them, whereas we KNOW the pain it causes and just carry on doing it, as we only care about ourselves.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10039719)

Lots of animals kill for the sake of it. But I've never heard of one firing a gun, building a bomb or screwing each other over for a profit.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10039714)

Maybe Dolphins make excuses for us too :laugh:

ETA : also they're not that stupid foxes dogs etc know when they're causing pain and when they're playing and that there's a difference. Cats do too, when my cat tries to play with the dog he swipes at him with his paw with his claws kept in, if he's chasing something in the garden his claws are out because he intends to do damage

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10039726)

No they are not stupid far from it,but we are told we are superior and top of the food chain,animals brains do not comprehend,pain and death as we do.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10039725)

My dog would screw anyone over for a piece of sausage tbf.......or basically anything edible

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10039732)

Your Eddie looks like he might be tooled up, actually.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10039539)

Animals bred for meat, slaughtered and sold is not the same thing as putting an animal, a completely defenceless animal bred for the sole purpose of scientific tests. I'm not posting pictures here, but you must have seen some of the appalling stuff they do to animals? Their agony lasts until they're finally killed.

And yes, there are other ways of testing, rather than animal testing. I don't believe most scientists actually like torturing animals and there's a significant push from Scientists all over the world who are using other methods and developing other methods. For instance, in vitro tests using human cell and tissue cultures, computer models and simulations, stem cell and genetic testing, non-invasive imaging techniques such as MRIs and CT Scans and also
micro-dosing, giving people really small quantities of a drug to see what the effects are at a cellular level.

I truly believe that in a few decades time people will be appalled at what we used to do to animals in the name of science.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10039729)

You're just making excuses though, animals can be assholes too but because we're more intelligent we can do a lot more damage, that's the long and short of it imo