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Twosugars 05-07-2018 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10073027)
I have had dogs longer than you have had hot dinners and i dot need a tv programme to tell me how to look after them

maybe you do if you think you need to hit them to make them obey you

and don't make stupid statements that my dogs ruled me
I don't have sense of humour when it comes to my dogs or dog cruelty so back off with your "funny" baiting
there's a whole world of behaviour modification between spoiled dogs and dogs that "need" to be hit, something all owners should now
there's no need for either extreme

Nicky91 05-07-2018 04:44 PM

no, and i'm against every type of animal abuse

Kizzy 05-07-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10073021)
Bite them back if they bite you.

That only works on puppies to mimic mummy dog... try it on a stray and you might find that's bogus advice.

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 04:54 PM

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

Twosugars 05-07-2018 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10073067)
Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

Beso 05-07-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10073062)
That only works on puppies to mimic mummy dog... try it on a stray and you might find that's bogus advice.

I wouldnt bite a stray dog....yuck..mangy diseased displaced unwanted filthy beasts.


A nice labrador puppy though...mmmmm...yum yum.

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073078)
It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

Its pathetic ,really it is

Twosugars 05-07-2018 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10073087)
Its pathetic ,really it is

Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

Matthew. 05-07-2018 05:11 PM

don’t hit your dog ffs, think it’s standard that people do not do this

Beso 05-07-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew. (Post 10073099)
don’t hit your dog ffs, think it’s standard that people do not do this

Yeah, take it out on the kids instead.

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073098)
Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

My sister in law cuddles hers from coming in from work to going to work again the following day, it sleeps with her, it even goes in the bloody bath with her, its got its own dog pushchair for when it rains ,she kisses it on its lips, shares food with it passed from her mouth this dog has just licked its arse and old man clean ffs ,she calls it her baby ,its NOT your baby its a D O G

Alf 05-07-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10073014)
you sound like the type of owner who sits on the carpet and eats his tea whilst the dog snoozes on the best chair

:laugh:

user104658 05-07-2018 05:21 PM

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea :umm2:. Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

Beso 05-07-2018 05:27 PM

How do police train their dogs?

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10073116)
How do police train their dogs?

By rewarding them ,I watched a documentary on it very interesting

Barry. 05-07-2018 05:29 PM

If they attacked or bite people I say yes. Over hyper dogs, maybe a tap on the nose.

kirklancaster 05-07-2018 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10073067)
Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Common sense, truth and logic - as always, Chuff.

Twosugars 05-07-2018 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10073110)
It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea :umm2:. Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

TS, you've spoken so much sense in different threads today :worship:
some trumpets (not naming names) should learn from you :fist:

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 10073127)
:clap1::clap1::clap1: Common sense, truth and logic - as always, Chuff.

Why thank you kind sir :douf:

kirklancaster 05-07-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10073110)
It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea :umm2:. Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

Great post, T.S.

As with children, I don't like to witness anyone hitting a dog. There are other ways.

Kazanne 05-07-2018 05:40 PM

Sorry I would NEVER hit an animal never mind a dog , I have never had a nasty dog , they have all been as stupid as I am , I find a stern voice is usually enough, Our dog is part of our family , as is the cat , so, no smacking .

user104658 05-07-2018 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10073116)
How do police train their dogs?

Food rewards and praise, pretty much the only way to properly train a dog. Of course the police trainers are highly skilled at it, and they can also tell very quickly which dogs are "cut out for it" and the others are sold on (or adopted by officers quite often).

My next door neighbour as a kid was a retired police dog trainer, he had two huge ex-police German Shepherds and a massive Black Lab, they were so well trained it was really fascinating.

Beso 05-07-2018 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10073119)
By rewarding them ,I watched a documentary on it very interesting

Id like to watch that chuffle as my nephew sees it as a career move cause his pops kept alsations all his life..any idea what it was called?

Denver 05-07-2018 05:58 PM

If i ever caught my dog down the park with his mates drinking cider he knows he will be punished

Glenn. 05-07-2018 06:01 PM

I just have to look at my dog and she knows to stop what she’s doing. I’m a little bit more relaxed with her now as she’s kind of on her way out.


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