:laugh:

OR... a lesbian. :think:

And back to the drawing board :bored:

Good old God

#lad

Oh come on. I know it’s open to interpretation but the Bible’s explicitly mentioned it more than once.

Or a militant homophobic lesbian?

Oh.

tbh that line sounds more anti bi than gay. I mean you don't lie with women at all have you found the loop hole?

The same bit of Leviticus that says Homosexuals must die, also says that it's against God's law to plant two different crops in one field. shave your sideburns, or wear clothes of two different fabrics.

Yeah see to me that just proves how "man made" the bible actually is, it's totally stuff related to thinking of the times

You know, I was doing some reading after posting and apparently biblical literacy is supposedly abysmal low, including many churches... and that makes sense for a document that's been translated I guess... I mean it makes sense, given how we see information circulates and is "altered", key points "ommitted" along it's path... The Bible, the very first click-bait (flip?)...

My family was originally Baptist (non-denominational now), and I think that that particular "strain" of Christianity is very fire & brimstone, particularly Southern Baptist... I want to say they take the Bible in the most literal sense, but I'm not an expert. :spin: I just know from having gone to several denominations, I don't think Christianity in general is a religion of HATE. That is not it's core philosophy. Unfortunately, every group has it's corrupt individuals... but at least with religion, most rules are fairly clear... like don't murder, don't steal. They are just a loud minority with a couple of craft store signs...

An old friend, a liberal jew (later agnostic), she had her pencil taken away by a group of Christian mean girls and the one girl held it in front of her and demanded she repent her sins, that she would return it if she repented for her sins and pledged her love(?) for Jesus Christ... that type of treatment is obviously traumatic for so many people, particularly at a young age, so I don't think that the criticism is necessarily unwarranted... but my opinion, these things shouldn't be forced on us so young... I think most religion/spirituality, we reap better if we are grounded first as individuals and then taught other ways of "seeing" the world...

I think spirituality itself can actually be quite beneficial... even just being agnostic (or even atheist I hear O_o), I think a lot can be gained, because you're more receptive to the deeper experiences of life, and have a desire to experiment with re-interpretation... a lot of people interpret most experiences as good/bad... and that's quite a sad way to view the world, imo... I think everything has a little bit of good, and a little bit of bad... joy in life for me is searching for the good and cultivating that in your life as well as in your heart+mind... we human-beings rely heavily on story-telling to help "guide" our emotional well-being and sense of personal power.. those narratives say a lot about us at a deeper level really... if even just in a psychological sense.

It's not really possible anyway if you think about it, I'm planning to exploit that loophole when I reach the gates :laugh:

There's a lot of focus on what the Bible says about homosexuality. In truth, it doesn't say that much, neither does the Quran. The Bible has been written by countless people over many centuries and has been translated and edited many times. I cannot see where the words of God himself say that homosexuals must die. Other people may have said that, but not God, neither in the Quran nor the Bible. The story of Lot appears in both books... and the words of Allah are clear in the Quran, as they are in the Torah... nowhere does he say kill homosexuals. Mohammed said it... but not Allah.

So in conclusion, I don't believe God hates gay people. He gave us Ten Commandments to live by, commandments to live a good and wholesome life... gays don't get a mention.

The first people were man and woman.

Case closed

Ah so you're a creationist? You believe the world is only 5000 years old.

Good for you...…………...

Oh glob off

Whoever said 5000 years ago? There is physical proof for the existence of Egyptians in 3000 BC and Scientists believe humans evolved into our current form at least 100,000 years ago..

If the first people were not man and woman how would life continue?

I dont quite get your point, even if it were men and women first, what does that prove and why case closed?

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

The Old Testament is explicitly anti-homosexual and anyone who is claiming to be able to interpret it differently is simply lying to themselves. However (for Christians) the New Testament supposedly "overrules" the Old Testament.

The New Testament explicitly describes homosexual relations as a sin but doesn't suggest that people should judge or punish based on those sins, rather that we should all accept each other regardless of sin (because literally everyone has varying degrees of sin) and that acceptance into heaven depends solely on repenting for those sins (which can actually be done at the pearly gates after death.. you can basically live how you want).

Sooo... I guess it depends on how people feel about the proposition that being gay in life is fine, and should be accepted, but is nonetheless sinful and will eventually need to be apologised for.

Hmmm... you use Adam and Eve as an analogy and then need creationism spelled out for you. I feel embarrassed for you.

These are words that have been translated from words supposedly spoken to Moses which he repeated to the Israelites. It was spread by word of mouth and wasn't written down for aaaaaages. Then it's been translated time after time.

The only words God gave to Moses that were written on tablets of stone were the commandments, and again... gays don't get a mention.

As Livia so rightfully says; some of what is written in the Judeo Christian bible is man's authorship but the 10 commandments are the direct words of God, and NOWHERE in those commandments does God even mention Homosexuality let alone condemn or castigate it.

(Incidentally, God's Commandments are irrefutably THE greatest and wisest lifestyle guide ever presented to mankind.)

Oops - you posted this while I was typing my now redundant post. :laugh:

I thought it was widely held Christian belief that the bible (all of it in order to be officially included), and all official translations, are guided by the hand of God and therefore infallible? :suspect:

I mean otherwise... you have to take THE ENTIRE BOOK with a pinch of salt, because anyone could have stuck whatever they wanted in there, and there's no way to know which parts are right :think:. I mean even the commandments... it's written that they're the direct word of God... but if it's being argued that "flawed men" made up other parts of the bible, it has to be accepted that some bloke could just have made up that part too. Surely?