What's the difference between Natalie and Bear/Marc?

A male member I think. :p

I just don't understand the people that say Bear harassed or bullied others while Natalie hasn't? They've made similar "attacks" on people and they each even come out of their antics with a big obnoxious smile on their face :joker:

They're different people though but I think they come from the same "goading" cloth they just go about it in different ways. Natalie is more about having issues with people and challenging/confronting them on everything while Bear is more about being a careless troll with people in his confrontations.

(even if I think they're both kinda tame really and people bring out the bully accusations too easily)

The difference is probably a gut and a chin.

Natalie’s just argumentative, Bear threw housemates’ food on the floor and was an actual threat (purposefully spilling oil on the floor, throwing glass bottles)

haven’t seen Marc’s series so i can’t say anything about him

Bear assaulted Sam Fox!

She has made a career out of being purposely antagonistic, that's literally all she is know for lol...

They all serve the same main purpose.

Being ***** for airtime.

Natalie more cruel, Bear more childish, Marc more intrusive, never watched Helen - but they all use the same main tactic yeah. Its boring. Inauthentic, staged, and detracts from any natural social interaction.

OUR Sam?

It absolutely is. All housemates mentioned in the OP have set up - or been set up by producers - to create a "whole house vs. 1 housemate" storyline that will inevitably run on for weeks and weeks and weeks until the 290 remaining viewers crown someone else out of pity, or the antagonist for "making the series". Ad nauseum.

I find it difficult to take this forum's desire for "back to basics Big Brother" seriously if they're going to continue to endorse this same old one-person-steals-the-show charade. You can blame the casting all you want - I'd agree somewhat, this is a really samey and boring cast with around 3 showmances in the brew - but until this factor is taken out, there is literally no room for any other tensions and conflicts to play out, because everyone in the house is exhausted by this motormouth.

I’d take one-person-steals-the-show-charade over 3 showmances and more gabby any day

I'm glad you can see into the future

This

You're right, she is stealing the show, but she's stealing it from the viewers.

She comes from fake TV (masquerading as reality TV)

Natalie is not a smart reality show villain.

She just picks fights with little reason and no substance.

She just starts fights, for the sake of starting a fight

She thus comes off as a FAKE VILLIAN and its all an act, and her actions are just for the tv show

Marc and Bear were far better people and housemates.

Were they though

Bear, Helen, and Marc are all vile housemates imo. I'm not a Natalie stan but personally I don't think shes anywhere near their level of dislikability.

I agree with this. I do think she has some minor entertainment factor, but it is a very shallow form of entertainment without nothing else to go on beyond a veneer... I don't consider her to be talented at all. I think she has some basic acting skills, but for the most part, can't do much with her fellow HMs aside from scream and yell with no script... she's terrible at baiting as well... unless like you say, she's going after the insecure folk who are easily triggered by any harsh opinion.

I will say her opinion of celebrity was rather enlightening. She seems to have a shallow definition of that as well... I think without social media, she wouldn't even be in the house... making nasty commentary about other people in "the business" is the only way she can remain relevant... but she's desperate to be validated by her supposedly 'non-celebrity' peers, which is quite funny. Basically she's upset that she's not good enough since look at her castmates...

GREAT point, Shaun - I could not stand Bear either. :laugh:

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Superb. Hit the nail squarely on the head.

Thx call me sally