I don't recall Chloe being argument-hungry tbf. she's literally gotten most of her nominations for 'doing nothing' / 'being lazy' etc.

Tbf i usually agree with you on most things but you underestimate the power of the format :love:

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3 :laugh:

The old rules are much better.

But that was 10 years ago, we're living in an area of BB now where you get nominated for having an argument with someone else instead of the actual person nominating them, as well as people nominating someone on someone else's behalf.

Just look at almost all of Natalie's noms being to do with "making Gabby cry" or w/e... If BB8 had been done 10 years later Charley would've been gone immediately "for making Chanelle want to go home" or something :joker:

You are referring to the "current" way? (ie. the new, old way) or do you mean the "old, new" way (lack of consistent format)

the current way

Well of course there was going to be non-argumentative people up this week because all the argumentative ones have left, it's not rocket science :laugh:

It's all well and good them nominating Chloe because "she doesn't do anything" but it's laughable how unaware of themselves they are when everyone on the outside is saying the same thing about them :joker:

But you know what's to blame for that? Vote to evict. There's no bigger problem than VTE but having head to heads under VTS renders it a pointless system

The best solution is vote to save and multiple nominees, she'd never go then

If BB8 had the format of 5/6 people going up each week, Charley would've been up a lot sooner and would have been evicted. Then, the same people complaining about head-to-head evictions would have complained about that. Again, it's just a case of rules only being accepted if it suits the person.

Two people up is much better in my opinion.

Charley only escaped being up for eviction because of the nominations format though. If it was messy C5 rules (2 noms and you're up) she would have been up and out week 3 (had a cheeky wee look at the noms table)

That's because the C5 crowd are used to contrived drama and manipulated series. Give time to adjust, and the series (if it isn't axed) will surely grow in viewership over time with a consistent format.

Pretty much.

You clearly not been watching since friday then

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

I don't think there's much scope for gameplay under the UK format anyway though, not least when they can't even discuss noms

I've said before that if you can 'play a game' on BBUK it has to be one of the easiest on television. Befriend everyone, be a useful housemate, don't say or do anything the whole series, play the "nice guy/girl" role, float to the final, suddenly turn up in the last week and you've given yourself a shot. Bonus points if you're an attractive male

Not only is there no strategy involved in that, it's also completely counter productive from an entertainment standpoint

Yeah but charley was able to actually get people on her side days before nominations. She knew how to play the game and was aware that she could survive nominations if she gets a few people on her side. Charley was more self aware than Natalie and knew that her behaviour put her in the firing line, while Natalie was shocked at being put up. Had that season been 2 noms and you're up rule she wouldn't of had a chance.

That's right. The show has been going on for almost twenty years, it's becoming rarer for celebrities to "mess up" because most of them would have learned, by now, from past mistakes. Like you said, hopefully they'll get the casting right for BB and not just throw in a bunch of people saving face in order to secure some sort of deal on the outside.

Nobody on recent seasons has known how to play the game. People now try to play the game by also trying to play the public and most times the housemates see what they're up to anyway.
But if you look at older seasons housemates like Victor and Makosi their transparency gained them a lot of support.

No, I'd be complaining about vote to evict as usual which IS the biggest flaw in BBUK's format

Get rid of that and none of this matters, except not having head to heads under VTS because it's just a reverse VTE

Yeah I understand your point but that's not what I'm saying. I agree with your point... if it was 2007. But it's 2018 now, no longer the same show as it was, and someone like Charley would probably have been up straight away on a C5 series with the "old rules" of 2 or more up because people nominate on other people's behalf nowadays.

Like, if they'd had the "old rule" for other C5 series, we'd be seeing head to heads like Gemma vs Tiffany, Kim vs Jedward etc. very early on and those series would've been nowhere NEAR as iconic as they ended up being if we'd lost those early.

This. Also celebrity big brother is also different because they're cast on the basis of their names rather than their personalities and the dynamic of the whole cast together.

But people like Frenchy, Leslie, Saira, Gemma, Alicia were all lost in VTS 3+ evictions :/

I really hope you're right. It would be great to have another icon like Charley escape noms every week again <333

But I just genuinely don't see it happening, the show is too different now, people pander alot more to what they think the viewers like/dislike and it always affects noms, whereas that didn't used to happen as much in the golden days.

i don’t like head to heads

No system is foolproof when you allow the public to choose who stays/goes (but that's a debate that's been done ad infinitum), however it's far safer than VTE or VTS with head to heads

I mean the last time we had the 2 or more noms and you're up rule was bb13 and thats easily the best c5 series (although 17 is tugging at her crown)