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kingston 31-08-2018 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186073)
As are you

Please don’t put words in my mouth... I haven’t said anything remotely close to what you’re implying...

Mokka 31-08-2018 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186074)
Please don’t put words in my mouth... I haven’t said anything remotely close to what you’re implying...

You implied the situation was akin to a woman being raped

kingston 31-08-2018 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186075)
You implied the situation was akin to a woman being raped

I used that as a example to put things in to context so that others could understand my argument... It had nothing to do with writing my own narrative of what happened...

Mokka 31-08-2018 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186079)
I used that as a example to put things in to context so that others could understand my argument... It had nothing to do with writing my own narrative of what happened...

Except that it is exactly either you putting things out of context... or you drawing your own narrative of what occurred... or both.

The thing is, your arguments for why I'm wrong are also the same arguments for why you are.

And ultimately, there is still no victim here

kingston 31-08-2018 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186084)
Except that it is exactly either you putting things out of context... or you drawing your own narrative of what occurred... or both.

The thing is, your arguments for why I'm wrong are also the same arguments for why you are.

And ultimately, there is still no victim here

It's not out of context at all... Both are unwelcomed behaviors that people are implying are ok just it's welcomed by someone else... I'm also not implying anything by using the example I've been using or writing my own version of events...

Mokka 31-08-2018 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186090)
It's not out of context at all... Both are unwelcomed behaviors that people are implying are ok just it's welcomed by someone else... I'm also not implying anything by using the example I've been using or writing my own version of events...

But you are if you think that those two examples of behaviour are the same. That is your version of what happened in a nut shell.... you just stated that implicitly. The directed behavior of a man putting himself forcefully on a woman who is saying no... is far different than a man being in the same space as a woman and when he realised she was uncomfortable by his physical activity... stopping.

kingston 31-08-2018 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186092)
But you are if you think that those two examples of behaviour are the same. That is your version of what happened in a nut shell.... you just stated that implicitly. The directed behavior of a man putting himself forcefully on a woman who is saying no... is far different than a man being in the same space as a woman and when he realised she was uncomfortable by his physical activity... stopping.

I have never said that the two are the same or should be treated the same... Just that the example is comparable on an equal level... I've also never used examples of men vs woman... Woman are just as capable or committing violating behaviours...

Mokka 31-08-2018 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186093)
I have never said that the two are the same or should be treated the same... Just that the example is comparable on an equal level... I've also never used examples of men vs woman... Woman are just as capable or committing violating behaviours...

I think someone needs to look at the definitions of "same" and "equal" :think:

You keep proving what I am saying

kingston 31-08-2018 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186094)
You keep proving what I am saying

I'm not actually... The only thing happening here is that you're putting words in my mouth...

Mokka 31-08-2018 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186097)
I'm not actually... The only thing happening here is that you're putting words in my mouth...

I'm reading the words you are typing... and taking them as they are defined. If I'm misunderstanding then it might be your choice of words, phrases, or analogies.

kingston 31-08-2018 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186099)
I'm reading the words you are typing... and taking them as they are defined. If I'm misunderstanding then it might be your choice of words, phrases, or analogies.

No once again you're writing your own narrative... I haven't said anything you're accusing me of saying...

Mokka 31-08-2018 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186103)
No once again you're writing your own narrative... I haven't said anything you're accusing me of saying...

Sure

kingston 31-08-2018 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186104)
Sure

Glad you agree...

Mokka 31-08-2018 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186105)
Glad you agree...

Patronizing doesn't become you

kingston 31-08-2018 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186106)
Patronizing doesn't become you

Not patronizing anyone... If anyone has been patronizing in this argument it's been you...

Mokka 31-08-2018 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186107)
Not patronizing anyone... If anyone has been patronizing in this argument it's been you...

Sure

kingston 31-08-2018 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186129)
Sure

Again glad you agree...

Shaun 31-08-2018 04:33 AM

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Biography
I'm a bit of a twat
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Mokka 31-08-2018 04:40 AM

Oh good... the UK is waking up lol.

kirklancaster 31-08-2018 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 10186134)
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Biography
I'm a bit of a twat

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

kirklancaster 31-08-2018 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 10186141)
Oh good... the UK is waking up lol.

:laugh: Been up since 4.35 Mokk.

Just enjoying you winning this (none) argument hands down.

Mokka - 1

Kingston - 0

:hehe:

kingston 31-08-2018 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 10186144)
:laugh: Been up since 4.35 Mokk.

Just enjoying you winning this (none) argument hands down.

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Kingston - 0

:hehe:

Your opinion doesn't phase me...

Mokka 31-08-2018 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 10186144)
:laugh: Been up since 4.35 Mokk.

Just enjoying you winning this (none) argument hands down.

Mokka - 1

Kingston - 0

:hehe:

The judge, jury, and executioner has spoken!

Mokka 31-08-2018 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186146)
Your opinion doesn't phase me...

Kirk's opinion us all that matters to me :flutter:

kirklancaster 31-08-2018 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kingston (Post 10186146)
Your opinion doesn't phase me...

It's not intended to, but it is my opinion and one based on on the facts that your premise is irrational and your argument is non-persuasive.


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