I’m not comparing them as people they’re two separate beasts and I’m sure Ryan doesn’t have a bad bone in his body
I think as winners to represent a series theyre equally as ****ty tho

Elliot what happened :joker:
We use to agree but now we disagree on things D: :laugh: .

Yeah I know but I just don't think Ryan is a bad winner.
I'm glad you acknowledge he's not a bad guy though.

Imo the worst CBB winners are Jim Davidson, Charlotte Crosby ,Urika Johnson, Courtney Act and the list goes on :bored: .
But we all have our different opinions.

All the people you listed are less than favourable winners
Thing is with Ryan is like why I hate most cbb winners, they always win over the most stupid trivial thing. Usually winning is a test and triumph of character and personality but with cbb it’s usually more gimmicky with just outright being more famous. What’s even more insulting than that is someone winning over a controvocy when literally anyone could be at the forefront of it, a n y o n e. Hell roxy could’ve accused Ben of punching her and well it may have not garnered the same response due to Ryan being considerably more famous but he would’ve filled his shoes almost spotlessly. Now we have someone who wins in spite of what winning this show should be about

See, that I can get empathize with. I have a really neutral reaction to him in general. I thought he was funny/quirky during the task with Kirstie and took a liking to him then. He just seemed naturally fun-loving, very easy-going. Though I'd read some comments on TiBB against him that were quite passionately against him, suggesting his behavior after the Roxanne thing was a total calculation... If he's done anything to warrant a win though, it's that he's affected people on a personal level... I don't think he's the most entertaining character though. Nat was more entertaining.. and I didn't even think that highly of her to begin with... I thought she was really predictable...

Bear is worse than both of them combined.