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Oliver_W 05-10-2018 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10269593)
What?
Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

rusticgal 05-10-2018 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10269560)
His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.
I have to hold my hands up and say I questioned his actions...I also assumed his family didn't know.
However watching tonight I found it quite endearing and genuine. Lewis has been a great mate for him in there.
I hope Cameron feels liberated now...and can enjoy the BB experience more.

pontyboi 05-10-2018 11:07 PM
Its because it all seems forced even when he finally "came out" Lewis had to as always ask how he was feeling and if he was emotional when in reality if something is weighing on your mind as he says it has been and its such a life changing experience and will change his whole world why didn't he show a slight bit of emotion when he admitted to it?

He was stone faced as **** lol he even pulled his hoodie over his face and it seemed so contrived especially when we know his family already knows.

However putting this situation aside I do think he is a great housemate and this planned storyline was not needed.

Epic. 05-10-2018 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10269560)
His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.
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Originally Posted by Daniel-X (Post 10269585)
The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.
I agree with both of these :worry:

Babayaro. 05-10-2018 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel-X (Post 10269585)
The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.
I'm sorry but this is just complete bull****. No individual is the same and it's really unfair to say that he should have said it from the off or not at all. He would have been playing this moment out in his mind over and over again, and having to carry that weight would normally be tough, but even more so inside the house, where the paranoia is huge.

Daniel-X 05-10-2018 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel-X (Post 10269585)
The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.
To add to this, I understand coming out can be difficult for some people to pluck up the courage. Still though, myself and I assume most other people would find it a lot easier to come out to strangers than people you already know. Which just makes this seem even fishier.

Sorry, just not BUYING what she’s selling.

Babayaro. 05-10-2018 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10269596)
Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...
Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?

Daniel-X 05-10-2018 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10269612)
I'm sorry but this is just complete bull****. No individually is the same and it's really unfair to say that he should have said it from the off or not at all. He would have been playing this moment out in his mind over and over again, and having to carry that weight would normally be tough, but even more so inside the house, where the paranoia is huge.
He’s not daft tho, he knows from the moment he did that DR entry that it was VERY VERY clear what he was alluding to. We all picked up on it straight away. So I don’t see how he can have ‘played it out over and over again’ - he pretty much did it that first DR entry and he knows that :shrug:

On other occasions other than the ‘coming out’ arc, we’ve seen how bothered he is about being perceived by the public. I mean he tried to say Kay walked to make him out to be a bad person? Lmao. He knows full well how the game works.

Elliot 05-10-2018 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10269621)
Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?
Quite a few people in this thread oo

Amy Jade 05-10-2018 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10269621)
Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?
Rob has said it a few times

Amy Jade 05-10-2018 11:15 PM
Dan X's posts :clap1:

Daniel. 05-10-2018 11:16 PM
I would probably do it like Cameron if I was 18 and in there

Saying them wirds were NOT easy

Vicky. 05-10-2018 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel-X (Post 10269625)

On other occasions other than the ‘coming out’ arc, we’ve seen how bothered he is about being perceived by the public. I mean he tried to say Kay walked to make him out to be a bad person? Lmao. He knows full well how the game works.
Yup, hes very very switched on to how the game goes. When Anamelia left, he immediately commented about it clearly being vote to evict aswell. I see Cameron as a bit of a Dexter Koh housemate actually, picking a specific storyline they feel will help them before going in, and acting it out.

I think Cameron though, did not realise he went in way overblown with this and if the plan was to drag it out as a gradual thing, he was too strong in the initial diary room entry, which I think was meant to be an 'is he isn't he' kind of thing, rather than full on obvious :laugh:

Its part of why I like him so much actually. I tend to like gameplayers a lot, rather than 'nice' housemates.

rusticgal 05-10-2018 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pontyboi (Post 10269603)
Its because it all seems forced even when he finally "came out" Lewis had to as always ask how he was feeling and if he was emotional when in reality if something is weighing on your mind as he says it has been and its such a life changing experience and will change his whole world why didn't he show a slight bit of emotion when he admitted to it?

He was stone faced as **** lol he even pulled his hoodie over his face and it seemed so contrived especially when we know his family already knows.

However putting this situation aside I do think he is a great housemate and this planned storyline was not needed.

His family knew...but all his ex schoolmates etc didn't. He mentioned his ex schoolmates in week 1 and how they would 'react'.....I think this was his way of telling all in an environment that would give him support and therefore make it easier to face them...maybe.

BBDodge 05-10-2018 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel. (Post 10269635)
I would probably do it like Cameron if I was 18 and in there

Saying them wirds were NOT easy
He said "Yes".

Ant. 05-10-2018 11:19 PM
Tbh I'm mostly agreeing with both Dan-X and Rob

It's definitely not my place to doubt or question his coming out and I'm not, I like to believe that the guy's had it building up inside of him for so long and he's only just coming to terms with it

HOWEVER I do feel sceptical. And I don't have any rationale for feeling like that... there's just a part of me that can't help but wonder "IS it a gameplan?". My logical part of me isn't seeing that though

Daniel. 05-10-2018 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BBDodge (Post 10269649)
He said "Yes".
That is what I mean, he still cant say it.

Strictly Jake 05-10-2018 11:23 PM
He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes

Ant. 05-10-2018 11:23 PM
like at the end of the day, for me it's easy to critique Cameron's actions but I simply don't feel right to speculate that he's using 'coming out' as part of his gameplan. I was lucky in the fact that I figuted out I was gay when there were bigger fish to fry so I didn't struggle with my identity but I have a friend or two that aren't coming to terms with their sexuality well in a similar fashion to Cameron

Like tl;dr the gut in me is saying "he's genuine" BUT I can see why people would think he's gameplaying (although I don't believe he is)

Elliot 05-10-2018 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ShakeyJake10 (Post 10269658)
He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes
This this this
It’s so bloody obvious you must be blind to not see

Amy Jade 05-10-2018 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ShakeyJake10 (Post 10269658)
He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes
Exactly my thoughts on it.

Cian forced his hand early on.

Vicky. 05-10-2018 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel. (Post 10269656)
That is what I mean, he still cant say it.
But he has said it, over and over again. To many different people, in many scenarios. Including once in the diary room where it was even more obvious than when he was telling the housemates. All while pretending to be cryptic but actually being as obvious as one can be without yelling 'I am gay' at the top of ones voice.

rusticgal 05-10-2018 11:24 PM
I don't think for one minute this whole thing will hand him the win...he's still going to whine and sulk like an 18 year old.
But Out of all of them in there...Lewis and Cameron are good mates and good housemates...and I don't dislike them half as much as I do the other bitchy bunch.

GoldHeart 05-10-2018 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10269505)
Is it just me, or is this incredibly insensitive? Like, what signs has there been to suggest that none of this has been genuine? I think a lot of people are letting their opinion of him as a housemate cloud their judgement. I've seen many reaches over the years, but this one takes the biscuit!

Or maybe I'm just being naive, who knows? :shrug:
I think alot of people are naive to it , the pathetic thing is Cameron did all this for sympathy and a big storyline . Why did he go on NATIONAL TELLY to come out the closet !??? it doesn't make sense !!! :bored: :suspect: , and even if his parents knew what was the point in the big reveal and the tease of is he isn't he! . He dragged the whole thing out and he behaved really weird.

There's nothing genuine about it ,he's been watching BB and he knows what grabs headlines . He's more cunning that what you think . If he was so uncomfortable then why did he do this?? . He's the one that made an issue out of nothing , nobody gives a damn about his sexuality but he's the one giving himself this label as he's a dull bratty moron ! with no personality . And he'll probably win now as people think he's brave , utterly pathetic !!! .

Babayaro. 05-10-2018 11:31 PM
It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.


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