Looks like it's time to calculate some new plans Chanelle.

Nominations performance.

The housemates nominated today and I noticed two strange things about Chanelle's behaviour. First of all, when she got called to the diary room she exclaimed to everyone in the bedroom "I'm not ready! I thought Charley was before me!", then walked out of the bedroom and shouted across the house the same thing, "I thought Charley was before me!". I can't understand why one of the most intelligent people in the house can't work out that N comes before R in the alphabet. In my opinion, Chanelle did this to plant Charley's name in the housemates minds in relation to the nomination process.

Next, in the diary room, Chanelle couldn't stop saying Zach, Ziggy or Zig, when she was trying to say the names of her nomination picks. If Chanelle wanted to nominate Ziggy why didn't she just nominate him? It was clearly who she wanted to nominate, judging by the fact she kept saying his name, and if the alternative explanation is that she was putting on a performance for the cameras, what purpose does it serve for the audience to know she wants to nominate Ziggy? She was definitely being false, it's just hard to figure out what she really meant, and whether she was making these slips of the tongue on purpose.

It's my opinion she was manipulating the audience by attempting to convey the message that she wants rid of Ziggy aslong as the audience do it for her, and she doesn't have to come clean and admit it.

1. ""I thought Charley was before me!". I can't understand why one of the most intelligent people in the house can't work out that N comes before R in the alphabet. In my opinion, Chanelle did this to plant Charley's name in the housemates minds in relation to the nomination process."

Because everyone makes mistakes. Also some of the most intelligent people Ive ever met seem completly dumb sometimes (bit like the image of the professor with no practical skills).



2."Next, in the diary room, Chanelle couldn't stop saying Zach, Ziggy or Zig, when she was trying to say the names of her nomination picks."

Could be she was thinking of him because she was wondering who he would nominate, not saying your wrong, but always another alternative.



3."It's my opinion she was manipulating the audience by attempting to convey the message that she wants rid of Ziggy aslong as the audience do it for her, and she doesn't have to come clean and admit it."

Although I hate IQ tests (the first ones pronounced imigrants to the USA as having low IQ not taking into the fact most didnt understand the english the tests were writen in) she does seem like a bright lass, just cant make up my mind if she is acting slyly or being genuine, so far Im going for genuine. You could have a good point though if she has had enough of him this would be a good (as well as evil) way to go about it....maybe she is a Darren Brown fan.

So Chanelle spends the week having flirting sessions with Billi and giving Ziggy the cold shoulder, Ziggy gets all confused and dumps her, so she goes back with tears in her eyes like she can't live without him.

Are we supposed to feel sympathy now? Is that the idea?:rolleyes:

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Ziggy should of stood his ground with her and has now fallen into her trap once again sadly. Chanelle is very clever and manipulative.

I think Ziggy is more manipulative than chanelle hes quiet and sneaky.

In what ways has he been sneaky? Any examples?

I think Ziggy is quite sneaky. He scored very high on the Machiavellian test. I think he went into BB knowing that if he had a relationship it would mean he had more chance of winning.

Thats what i was trying to say but i dident know how to spell machiavellian.

A test doesn't really prove much though thats just another way of bb using their editing to change the publics minds. I think anyone going into the house knows a "couple" does well but Fame and fortune was more of a chanelle thing than Ziggy I feel. Based on the facts and evidence we have actually seen I don't think anything he has done is that manipulative...the only thing you could knock him for is maybe playing the nice guy routine.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru....php?tid=62161

There's an example in that thread. Also, you can tell Ziggy lies alot from the his mannerisms which go with his words ('self comforting' gestures which in many cases reveal the body language of a liar).

He often uses the phrases "to be honest with you", "I'll tell you the truth" and "honestly", which some consider the habits of a liar (though I'm not sure about that one).

hello when he was like im falling for you he kept like rubing his hair and i think both want the fame thing as ziggy was in the limelight at one point he wants all that back.

He looks shifty, the way he speaks out of the side of his mouth, his many contradictions. It's no one thing its an accumulation. I think Chanelle is just as manipulative but he's much more obvious.

I think thats over analyizing the guy the davina show was a huge stitch up for him I felt. Now a huge shock as bb have done it before but some peoples opinions seem to have come from what they showed on Davinas show. Like someone else said I don't see that being such an issue he thinks before he speaks...alot of other housemates should take a leaf out of his book. If thinking before he speaks is his only sin then he isn't that bad. I haven't really noticed his phrasing that much but shall look out for it now.

well they have experts on davinas show which know what signs to look for and 8 seconds to think of a good thing to say about chanelle a girl he supposely likes and even though he was thinking he still got his words mixed up.

Whats wrong with wanting it back? He will have a starting station for it if he wants to pick up the singing routine again which is more than wannabe WAG Chanelle has done. She just seems to want to spend someone elses money lol.

Do you like him GE?

Putting him in that position as a male I think he would of wanted to appear "cool" and not all loved all. No man would want to get all soppy there and then or appear to keen.

I think he is a nice enough guy, Don't fancy him though. I just don't understand why people seem to hate him so much yet he hasn't really done anything wrong. Or atleast I don't think so apart from getting back with Chanelle. I like all the people on my sig, hope Carole stays tonight. Don't have no "winner" in my mind yet though.:thumbs:

He could have answered that alot better without sounding soppy. There's no doubt about that.

I don't think it was a stitch up at all. They didn't even call him a liar, they were very kind to him considering the footage they were using was of a man who clearly wasn't telling the truth.

I think the Chanelle v Ziggy head to head is an interesting predicament, but it's clear to me that it's two people playing games with each other. I have no doubts.

I agree. That's being fake, in my opinion. He tries to act how he thinks the audience will like him.

....and one of the reasons Chanelle has found it so easy to manipulate him is because he's trying to charm her and the audience, which set him up for the early fall. With a week or so of calculations, I think there's a chance Ziggy could regroup and score points back over his rival.

I think he genuinely liked Chanelle but didn't want to admit that because he had no certainty of how she felt at that point therefore didn't want to look stupid. I dont see any harm in that he is just protecting himself really. Playing it cool and not to obvious until he knew more I think was the right thing to do. I also agree it is an interesting predictament but I am not to sure yet if Ziggy is gameplaying or just making the most of his situation like anyone would do. At the moment I am waiting for him to "slip up" because at the moment I think he is a decent guy and its Chanelle who is doing all the manipulation & gameplay.

This is getting to be a decent debate for once if you have nothing decent to add please don't ruin it for others.


Edit: Just want to say a message was deleted in between my posts so this isn't directed at the debaters:thumbs:

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