from France?

*Guillotine

From wherever..if that's why they are fleeing then we should be helping them.

They don't need us to help them, as they were in France and had passed through other safe countries.

The French and the Brits need to tighten up patrols for sure. However, these are illegal immigrants, it doesn't exclude them from compassion. That's the major problem I have with those complaining.

Take a look at Trump and how he blamed the death of 2 immigrant children on the democrats rather than showing an iota of compassion at this time of year.

Well it looks awfully like they do to me...unless you want them drowning at sea?

yeah thats exactly what he wants

Depends what you mean by "help" - drop 'em back off in France, sure. We owe them nothing more than that.

perhaps..

UK and France
have agreed to work together
to stop the Illegal's.

Why do they need to leave France? It's bit so bad there and so good here that it's worth the illegals risking their lives.

What's the definition of a liberal elite?

As ever Brillo, the issue isn't your political stance, it's the disgust and contempt you radiate whilst expressing it. If you don't see that by now then I'm sure you never will. However, this whole thread is giving me 2017-de ja vu and we're almost in 2019 so let's just not.

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

:wavey: Brillo
You and I we argued but also had some civilized exchanges so I can't tell you from my own experience, just repeating what I read at the time (wasn't there a thread about you leaving?). It was confirmed you asked for a perma, but also Vicky said you were close to perma due to your infractions etc.
I see you're keeping well ;) and a happy new year!

I think it's to see if they are successful. If yes, I'd imagine they'd want to bring their dependants here to join them

The reason there are few children is because of the high risk of death, the reason there are no elderly is because A) They would probably die and B) the elderly are far less likely to be on a quest for a new/better life in the first place. The reason for it being mostly males is probably cultural; usually the idea (realistic though it may not be) is that the men will go and set up a life / make money with an aim of either getting the rest of the family over to join later, or to send money back to the family.

Though the most basic reason is that it's dangerous and young males are inclined to recklessness / feel like they are stronger and tougher than they are realistically and thus have a higher belief that heading across the sea in a small boat in winter is a viable plan.

There are a few reasons; men are better suited to a long and dangerous trip across to Europe (especially by boats), so there are naturally more women and children in refugee camps.

More women and children actually die making the journey, and the logistics of getting a whole family somewhere together is a lot more difficult than men making the trip on their own and getting past border controls etc.

It's a bit of a right wing trope to only bring up the men making the journey as though they're just desperate to get UK benefits and more rapeable women. I know you were only asking the question, so that wasn't aimed at you.

A question they cannot/will not answer Cherie because the answer is painfully obvious, so they just try to ignore it and imply the problem lies with those that dare to question!

Why won't they answer the blummin' questions?!

Ahh Micky you're so blind, pushing all those right-wing lies. Hey Micky (clap, clap, clap) Hey micky (Clap, clap clap)

tbf the question was answered and I reread the articles again,there were actually 5 kids in different vessels

The only acceptable answer is "For rape and terrorism" and apparently anything else is invisible ink.

That’s rather funny given that, as already mentioned, I had to insist. It is also why I, and others, repeatedly felt there were double-standards being practiced and an imbalance in the infraction system. Hey-ho you were on the ‘right side’ of that so are unlikely to have had the same experiences.

Anyway happy new year to you and to those that do understand where I was coming from. I have said my piece and will leave you to it. Have fun.

I still don't agree with people 'fleeing' France though, or passing safe countries :nono: