I do think a second Referendum would be good for one thing, and that's to have a choice on if you want a Hard Brexit or a Soft Brexit and see which way the people vote.

Guess that makes your post even more embarrassing

I think the majority of opinion is that people want this deal through, just look at this thread. You came in and attacked someone's opinion rather than contributing. That's embarrassing :idc: You're never going to win an argument with me so don't even bother.

:joker: you called people who disagree a bunch of remoaners, you’ve already lost because you’re the one that just insulted everyone who disagrees with you.

Grow up

Never said people who voted remain are 'remoaners', but their are people who want to force another referendum so we can stay in the EU so that they can feel victorious over something they have been so butthurt about since 2016. You literally came into a thread, mis-interpreted my post so that you could manipulate it and try to make fun of me. You should literally just stop posting because it's doing you no justice going off topic and being so obsessed with me.

I mean that isn’t what you said at all, but go off I guess

Obsessed? :skull: bc I called you out for your juvenile post? Ok :skull:

But you're making it out like I am against all remainers calling them remoaners? Watch any political TV programme and you can see there is a group of them, or do you not watch them because you prefer to go into threads on a forum in an attempt to be funny?

You're a hypocrite by saying I have 'lost' an argument because I have 'insulted' people yet you literally came in here and said I sound like a 12 year old? You're clearly a baiting troll and I'm having none of it.

I don't know why anyone would be fearful of a second referendum, we are pretty much aware of the full facts of what will happen now and the various scenarios that will play out, so a referendum with a clear majority built in otherwise we revert to what we have now would seem the most sensible way forward. I would also lower the voting age to 16 as they did in Scotland, this is the future of the country and as many people as possible should be included in that vote

Maybe just don’t people call names in the first place? I

It’s not that hard and is quite juvenile to do so :pat:

...... So is it a Russell Group Uni or...?

I'm not fearful of a second referendum as I am 100% confident Leave would still win. And even if it didn't and remain won, it would have no legitimacy as then it becomes a draw 1-1. My problem comes from the division it would cause in this country, the amount of money another referendum would cost, and the fact that we would be no further forward in the whole issue.

No, why?

forgive me for pointing out that your posts don't indicate a deep political understanding

It's quite juvenile to post what you did too but at least I'm not a hypocrite?

What do you mean by 'political understanding'? I haven't even touched on anything substantial apart from giving my view on one tiny aspect of a political issue.

I hope this deal doesn't pass bc I want a 2nd ref
no deal will be voted down, then a long extension and momentum building up to a 2nd ref

I like how it's ended up people debating over the least worst option for the country over a "best"

Sums up brexit altogether

It wouldn't be a draw if they build in a percentage by which Leave/remain had to win by which is what should have happened the first time

It would probably just as close though. There's also the issue that a lot of people who voted to Leave were first time voters, and if there was another referendum it would cause that group of people (predominantly working class) to return to political apathy, which means that the turnout would probably be lower, and then how can you legitimise the result?

exactly

if they are going to hold a referendum again, they cant change the rules. It would always be seen as a fix

Imagine siding with the EU over your own country.

A lot of traitors about today. The traitors have been manufactured over a period of time.

ERG have said no to the deal

There's some irony in how those who most strongly believe in Brexit might be the ones who accidentally kill it off..

Generally it's only leavers that don't want a second referendum and that's purely down to the fact that Leave probably wouldn't win again.

The leaver camp made a campaign on presenting leaving being the will of the people but minds change and it makes the leave side utter hypocrites if they try to shoot down another referendum in fear that they'd lose.

I'm of the mind that we should just accept the deal and be done with it but if the deal gets rejected then Brexit must be delayed until we get the government in order and we should vote on whether the public wants a no deal brexit, if they vote yes, we do it. If they vote no, we look at other options and potentially do the leave/remain referendum over.

Because in a shock twist, they're actually scared of what the current public opinion will be now that the general public is more informed after living through years of Brexit hell