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Cherie 26-04-2019 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10530618)
Just get rid of sex ed its pointless
Teenage pregnancies are on the decrease, so I would say it is finally working

Morgan. 26-04-2019 12:33 PM
Sex ed in schools is needed. It's the fact it's going into later education. I found my class of 17-21 year olds the other week in sex ed and let me tell you it was just embarrassing.

Tom4784 26-04-2019 12:55 PM
Good, learning that LGBT people are no different to anyone else is vital and all schools should be made to teach inclusive lessons. I wouldn't have put in any loopholes to appease religious people, if they don't like it they can protest and get fined for it. Using religion to justify hatred should never be something that's protected.

As for the assertion by Adam that sex education is pointless.... Are you ****ing serious? Go look at the US stats of STI diagnosis rates and teen pregnancy numbers in places where sex education is optional, isn't taught at all or preaches abstinence and compare them to places that teach sex education properly as a compulsory class and see the difference.

Having no sex education puts people at risk, to make out that it's pointless is so incredibly ignorant on your part.

Tom4784 26-04-2019 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 10530512)
The Conservatives did not have it in their 2010 manifesto. The Lib Dems did. If the Lib Dems had not forced their hand, the Tories would not have held a vote because of their members.

Also 'Featherstone launched the consultation by the UK Government on introducing same-sex marriage and was the first politician to take part in the Out4Marriage campaign'

ALSO: Conservatives wouldn't have got it through alone, not by a long shot. 117 Tories voted FOR it, and 127 voted AGAINST it. The Conservative parliamentary party were AGAINST it. It wasn't the Tory party that got it through by a long shot. It was half the Tories and the vast majority of opposition MPs. So if anything, it was a cross party consensus... But facts are facts, there's no evidence there would've been a vote without the Lib Dems in coalition.
:clap1:

The Tories were never going to have the numbers in their own party to pass SSM and doing so would go against the wishes of the majority.

To claim that the Tories were responsible for SSM is a gross attempt to rewrite history in order to make the tories look good when they were actually the main opposition to it.

Denver 26-04-2019 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10530686)
Good, learning that LGBT people are no different to anyone else is vital and all schools should be made to teach inclusive lessons. I wouldn't have put in any loopholes to appease religious people, if they don't like it they can protest and get fined for it. Using religion to justify hatred should never be something that's protected.

As for the assertion by Adam that sex education is pointless.... Are you ****ing serious? Go look at the US stats of STI diagnosis rates and teen pregnancy numbers in places where sex education is optional, isn't taught at all or preaches abstinence and compare them to places that teach sex education properly as a compulsory class and see the difference.

Having no sex education puts people at risk, to make out that it's pointless is so incredibly ignorant on your part.
It should be the parents job first and foremost, parents need to start teaching children certain things and stop leaving it to schools

Tom4784 26-04-2019 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10530697)
It should be the parents job first and foremost, parents need to start teaching children certain things and stop leaving it to schools
Ridiculous.

You'd rather kids not go through a course which is tailor made to keep them safe so that their parents opt not to teach their kids to be safe or give them bad advice?

What is the logic behind your argument because I don't see any.

Underscore 26-04-2019 02:20 PM
Like I am glad the Tories agreed to hold a vote (not that they had a choice) but to claim it was them who passed it is just wrong

Marsh. 26-04-2019 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10530618)
Just get rid of sex ed its pointless
:umm2:

Marsh. 26-04-2019 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10530697)
It should be the parents job first and foremost, parents need to start teaching children certain things and stop leaving it to schools
Let's close the schools altogether and just have all parents homeschool ALL of their kids. You know.... just because.

Oliver_W 26-04-2019 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10530697)
It should be the parents job first and foremost, parents need to start teaching children certain things and stop leaving it to schools
That would work REALLY well in places like Birmingham, Luton...

AnnieK 26-04-2019 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10530697)
It should be the parents job first and foremost, parents need to start teaching children certain things and stop leaving it to schools
Whilst I agree that parent's should have a major input into this, school's also need to provide sex ed as there are many parent's who won't broach the subject with their kids, for many reasons. If kids are taught core aspects of sex ed at school those whose parent's won't talk to them at home will have at least some knowledge and information.

chuff me dizzy 26-04-2019 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10530697)
It should be the parents job first and foremost, parents need to start teaching children certain things and stop leaving it to schools
Totally agree, its the parents place to decide what their child needs to learn about sex /lgbt education and at what age, if they are not happy with the schools plan, don't let their child go in to the lesson

Withano 26-04-2019 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10530872)
Totally agree, its the parents place to decide what their child needs to learn about sex /lgbt education and at what age, if they are not happy with the schools plan, don't let their child go in to the lesson
Since when was its the parents place to decide school curriculum lol. Literally never.

Tom4784 26-04-2019 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10530872)
Totally agree, its the parents place to decide what their child needs to learn about sex /lgbt education and at what age, if they are not happy with the schools plan, don't let their child go in to the lesson
What a selfish parent they would be to place their own biases above the needs of their own child. Ignorance is never better than knowledge.

Wizard. 26-04-2019 03:39 PM
We also need to teach secondary school students of the appropriate age about gay sex. I had a lot of unprotected sex stupidly because I wasn't even aware of HIV or anything because all they talked about were using condoms to stop pregnancy and chlamydia.

Livia 26-04-2019 04:06 PM
My Mum had a gay friend when I was little, she worked in the rag trade and he was a designer. I imagine that I always knew he was gay without really knowing what it meant. He had a boyfriend... and it seemed normal. I think the earlier we teach kids that love comes in all shapes and sizes the happier everyone will be.

Twosugars 26-04-2019 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10530872)
Totally agree, its the parents place to decide what their child needs to learn about sex /lgbt education and at what age, if they are not happy with the schools plan, don't let their child go in to the lesson
a medieval attitude

sex is not some taboo, it is a biological function, there should be no opting out allowed

chuff me dizzy 26-04-2019 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10530927)
My Mum had a gay friend when I was little, she worked in the rag trade and he was a designer. I imagine that I always knew he was gay without really knowing what it meant. He had a boyfriend... and it seemed normal. I think the earlier we teach kids that love comes in all shapes and sizes the happier everyone will be.
Very rare I disagree with you my lovely ........ but IMO children should keep their innocence for as long as possible, childhood goes by so quickly, let them be uncomplicated children for as long as you can

Crimson Dynamo 26-04-2019 05:55 PM
As long as its taught accurately using percentages like 2% of the population etc and explained that the HUGE majority of people are hetrosexual then its fine.

Explain that soaps chase ratings and dont care about accuracy etc

Marsh. 26-04-2019 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10531037)
Very rare I disagree with you my lovely ........ but IMO children should keep their innocence for as long as possible, childhood goes by so quickly, let them be uncomplicated children for as long as you can
So why is teaching kids that families don't always consist of a mum and dad, but can have either two mums or two dads taking away their innocence?

The homophobia in that attitude is staggering.

AnnieK 26-04-2019 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10530927)
My Mum had a gay friend when I was little, she worked in the rag trade and he was a designer. I imagine that I always knew he was gay without really knowing what it meant. He had a boyfriend... and it seemed normal. I think the earlier we teach kids that love comes in all shapes and sizes the happier everyone will be.
I agree Liv. I have gay friends who Matthew has always been around, he sees no difference between the marriage of my friends Paul and Chris as he does between my best friend Claire and Simon. He is 8 and says at his school kids already use "gay" as an insult. Changes in books where family settings are used could help to futher normalise.it for other kids who may not have gay couples in their lives.

I'm not saying at primary age they need to know about the physical act of sex between hetero or gay couples but they do need to know that love can come in many different forms. I honestly can't see what harm that would do to their childhood.

Smithy 26-04-2019 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10531037)
Very rare I disagree with you my lovely ........ but IMO children should keep their innocence for as long as possible, childhood goes by so quickly, let them be uncomplicated children for as long as you can
So teaching kids that families can have two dads or two mums is robbing children of their innocence?

Smithy 26-04-2019 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10531048)
So why is teaching kids that families don't always consist of a mum and dad, but can have either two mums or two dads taking away their innocence?

The homophobia in that attitude is staggering.
Oh Whitney pointing

Marsh. 26-04-2019 06:02 PM
Whitney points FEROCIOUSLY.

Crimson Dynamo 26-04-2019 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10531048)
So why is teaching kids that families don't always consist of a mum and dad, but can have either two mums or two dads taking away their innocence?

The homophobia in that attitude is staggering.
who says chuff is only talking about gay sex ed? I am pretty sure she is talking about sex ed in general

your rush to take offence is staggering more like


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