Be British or be German? I'd vote for being British, again.

:laugh:
childish naivety

he likes the pomp bc he is vain and he is awkward around royalty bc he has the mentality of an uncouth upstart, very much like Dubya Bush
that doesn't translate into politics like it didn't translate with Dubya when he made Blair his bitch

politics of envy
blame the germans for working hard and being more successful
so much easier than engaging with Europe and building alliances to steer the EU

Hitler will be looking down on Merkel with envy, thinking, "I can't believe all I had to do was sell them cars"

Leave like last time I voted

and who is forcing you to buy them :think:

so now you blaming them for producing superior cars :joker:

I didn't vote last night, now I'd vote remain

Lovin' your work as always MTVN.

We're not on the same wave length here are we?

Can you just let me vote for who I want, for the reasons I want, without accusing me of having some evil scam please?

am I stopping you? how? by disputing your statements posted in a discussion forum? :think:

As is your right.

Alf, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you wanted your posts to go unanswered.

I was exercising my free speech.

It's just that I can't afford to get in a tit for tat, back and forth with you.

Josy has put me on a final warning and threatened me with a lengthy ban. So as much as I'd like to have a troll contest with you, I can't do it.

Oh, in that case I sympathise, believe me. You should have told me that earlier.
I don't want you to get banned so if my posts may make you say bannable things I will stop.

Though I think it will do BOTH of us a bit of good if we managed to discuss within the forum rules. It's worth a try? But maybe another time if you don't feel like it.

Being Trumps bitch demands on who is in charge and I doubt Trump will even win his election

Out of eu we'd at the mercy of bigger players, staring with America but also China and EU.

People have voted for manifestoes with promises that've been broken since the dawn of time; take the most recent destruction of the Lib Dems because of some buzzwords about how they'd vowed to "never increase tuition fees" and then the Tories went ahead with it anyway.

I know the overturning of the first referendum would (fairly) cause outrage but I don't see why it's being treated as some holy grail of democracy when the process of election promises failing to be delivered upon has been... a thing forever? Especially when the margin was so negligible and the funding/information on the campaigns from both sides are under such scrutiny.

I just think opportunist politicians are exploiting this vague idea of "democracy" to hammer through Brexit without much consideration for the economic damage it'll do. And if indeed a second referendum were to come in with a "Remain" victory (which I personally think is unlikely, even with the recent MEP party splits being *technically* in favour of Remain but just split across the three or four smaller parties) I don't know why this concept of a "furious backlash" would be any different to the already furious backlash against the concept of Brexit from the current Remain side.

Obviously a time machine would be ideal for Cameron to either: word the referendum accurately or plan some sort of deal prior to even putting it to the public, but... hey ho.

Let's quote farage: with 52/48 result the issue would be far from closed

Or David Davis: theres something wrong with democracy if a referendum result cannot be contested