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Oliver_W 30-06-2019 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 10610613)
This forum alone proves this isn’t the case

... Go on ... ?

Liam- 30-06-2019 11:29 AM

As long as in certain states of America companies are legally allowed to fire gay people just for being gay, then there are still problems to fight

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10610624)
As long as in certain states of America companies are legally allowed to fire gay people just for being gay, then there are still problems to fight

Then let's keep walking down the street in bondage gear, that'll fix everything!!11

Marsh. 30-06-2019 11:42 AM

Stop embarrassing yourself Oliver.

Next you'll be telling us women have no more reason to fight politically. It's not as though they're having their rights stripped left and right... oh wait.

Liam- 30-06-2019 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610626)
Then let's keep walking down the street in bondage gear, that'll fix everything!!11

While I agree that that’s a tad grotesque, the percentage of people that actually do that is so small that it shouldn’t demean the rest of the event, quite frankly, you’re being purposely obtuse, for what reason? Idk, but to suggest there isn’t still a fight happening for gay equality is ridiculous

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10610631)
Stop embarrassing yourself Oliver.

Next you'll be telling us women have no more reason to fight politically. It's not as though they're having their rights stripped left and right... oh wait.

Which rights have been stripped away?

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10610636)
While I agree that that’s a tad grotesque, the percentage of people that actually do that is so small that it shouldn’t demean the rest of the event, quite frankly, you’re being purposely obtuse, for what reason? Idk, but to suggest there isn’t still a fight happening for gay equality is ridiculous

I'd never say that it's all rosy now, but in the UK we have all the rights we need. We're even allowed to drive, fancy that!!11

The only real issues gays still face are social ones, and they need to be addressed in different ways

Liam- 30-06-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610637)
Which rights have been stripped away?

The choice of whether or not they want to have a baby for a start

Liam- 30-06-2019 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610638)
I'd never say that it's all rosy now, but in the UK we have all the rights we need. We're even allowed to drive, fancy that!!11

The only real issues gays still face are social ones, and they need to be addressed in different ways

Pride is an international thing, so again, to suggest getting rid of it because we’re treated alright here is ludicrous.

And how do you suggest going about that? Hiding away and not rubbing our gayness in the straights faces?

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10610639)
The choice of whether or not they want to have a baby for a start

I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10610642)
Pride is an international thing, so again, to suggest getting rid of it because we’re treated alright here is ludicrous.

And how do you suggest going about that? Hiding away and not rubbing our gayness in the straights faces?

Increase the push for employee rights in general, including for LGBT people. (if we're still talking about the way some states can fire gays for being gays)

As for general acceptance, people being positive role models and openly gay is the best way foward

Liam- 30-06-2019 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610643)
I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

We’re talking about Pride, a worldwide events, but nice little tactic there, avoid the human rights issues in America by pointing fingers elsewhere

Marsh. 30-06-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610637)
Which rights have been stripped away?

For women?

Marsh. 30-06-2019 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610643)
I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

Because the circumstances for women and gay people is so much better "Eastward"?

If women are having their rights to their own bodies stripped away even in the West then there is still very much a fight to be had. The same goes for homosexuals.

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10610649)
Because the circumstances for women and gay people is so much better "Eastward"?

If women are having their rights to their own bodies stripped away even in the West then there is still very much a fight to be had. The same goes for homosexuals.

What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

Marsh. 30-06-2019 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610654)
What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

:facepalm:

Liam- 30-06-2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610654)
What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

Except those that are raped that is, they have no choice in it

Liam- 30-06-2019 12:36 PM

Gross

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10610659)
Except those that are raped that is, they have no choice in it

Morning after pill?

AnnieK 30-06-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610654)
What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

And what about women that miss the 72 hour deadline for the morning after pill, whose circumstances change, who face birthing a child who will have zero quality of life due to disabilities, what about a young mum who was a little naive. A woman should have the right to dictate what happens with their body. Until the day a man can bear a child, men should not have the right to dictate what a woman does with her body. I'm all for lowering time limits on abortions, the current 24 week limit in the UK is too late but to take the choice away is wrong imo.

On topic, Pride is commercialised but as long as people need to fight for equality and diversity, it will be a thing and rightly so.

Liam- 30-06-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10610663)
Morning after pill?

Grim

Ammi 30-06-2019 01:42 PM

...the thread just recently, pondering whether there could be a time of Science ‘fixing the gay’ would show that society is apparently not as all accepting and tolerant as it should be...

Tom4784 30-06-2019 02:30 PM

'Let's not focus on problems on our side of the world when we can just pretend they don't exist so we can tut in judgement of arabic people.'

That's the long and short of your argument regarding human rights abuse in the US.

Beso 30-06-2019 02:42 PM

It's a go to atm for large companies....something to grab onto to show an understanding side to them...


They won't think twice about dropping the themes they have adopted when the next opportunity arises for them..

Oliver_W 30-06-2019 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10610743)
'It means nothing'.

So much ignorance. Learn your history.

I love history - kings and queens and wars and old gods and old cultures ... the history of how homos treated isn't as interesting, and learning about it won't give me more appreciation of being attracted to the same gender.

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10610746)
'Let's not focus on problems on our side of the world when we can just pretend they don't exist so we can tut in judgement of arabic people.'

That's the long and short of your argument regarding human rights abuse in the US.

We're not American, so why complain about American things? If you're going to complain about American things, why not worse things?


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