Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10643266)

This also serves as a prime example of why that "punish the accuser when there's proof" thread is utterly wrong headed because I'm getting the impression that plenty of people on this thread believe that there is "proof" that this girl wasn't assaulted in any way and would gleefully see her charged with a crime, when there clearly just ****ing isn't proof of that at all.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10643270)

if you think about it TS does the story sound plausible to you when you read it?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10643265)

I mean, from what I've read about it, the suggestion has been that she did it as "revenge" for a group of them (possibly not all 12) having sex with her consensually, but several of them filming it on their phones without consent and then refusing to delete it.

So whilst accusing them of rape is obviously a MASSIVELY over the top and immature reaction ... I would say that Nicky's assessment of "vile boys" is still quite accurate. No?

And TBQFH I'm very skeptical about how "consensual" a gangbang between one probably drunk 19 year old girl and multiple boys being filmed on smartphones is likely to have been, and strongly suspect she may have withdrawn her statement due to being grilled about it in an unpleasant manner and just wanting to get the hell out of there. If her statement was obviously a bit mis-remembered and confused (as it obviously would be) and then one of the boys proved he wasn't there, because perhaps that one did leave the group earlier without her realising, it makes her entire statement fall apart, the police start aggressively quizzing her for "lying", and she just wants to go home.

But nah obviously an unquestionably brazen liar, string the lying slut up amirite? #Feminism.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10643270)

if you think about it TS does the story sound plausible to you when you read it?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10643309)

this is the problem with threads about accusations. I did highlight this time and again in the SMollet case (regarding the inaccurate thread title that led to needless debate, only to be shot down and I think infracted, I cant recall

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10643312)

What would be an accurate title?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10643347)

Everyone knows what Ayia Napa is like. Its the place where young people go to get legless drunk and have sex. So it's a seedy place basically. I wouldnt trust any of the accounts because the likelihood was they were completely out the game

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10643350)

So if anyone goes on a party holiday and is sexually assaulted, they shouldn't just keep it to themselves because "debauchery" is to be expected and no one will believe them.

That does sound about right for what has happened here, yes.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10643358)

i think people make a conscious decision to go on that type of holiday. Of course everyone retains the right to say no, but in that type of environment it's a lot less clear cut for obvious reasons

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10643352)

Wouldn't have occurred to me TS. It just looked like the usual kind of stuff you might write.

Direct jibe at me, eh? And you feel perfectly entitled to do that.

This forum is ****ing imploding.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10643360)

I actually listened to a guy speak about that NI case afterwards actually who made some very good points about consent and group sex involving one girl in particular (as this is usually where consent becomes the issue) He said, people don't normally have group sex, it's an unusual occurrence and something that most people won't ever do in their lives so the rule of thumb should be that unless you discussed it while sober with the girl and really knew she was comfortable with the idea then it should never happen. I really agree with that

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10643363)

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10643361)

"Asking For It", then.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10643368)

Sorry TS, but you are too often putting words in peoples mouths for them these days, that's not what i said at all, so stop it ok?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10643358)

i think people make a conscious decision to go on that type of holiday. Of course everyone retains the right to say no, but in that type of environment it's a lot less clear cut for obvious reasons

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10643366)

I agree especially when it's heavily "one sided" in nature. Threesomes (MMF or FFM) aren't THAT uncommon and even "orgies" with a mixture of men and women are different, but anyone trying to claim that a sexual encounter on a drunken night out between one girl and several men is likely to be legitimately and fully consensual...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10643374)

Yeah, like any of the ones that you hear about are usually drunk girl gets with one guy and all of a sudden his friends are "having a go" it seems opportunistic and never really appears fully consensual

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10643374)

Yeah, like any of the ones that you hear about are usually drunk girl gets with one guy and all of a sudden his friends are "having a go" it seems opportunistic and never really appears fully consensual

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10643384)

And that's what happened in this case?