Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10691403)

What is his definition of "cinema" though. In my mind "cinema" is exactly these kinds of movies, ones that you don't want to watch at home because the action needs to be on a big screen etc They're entertainment pure and simple. Superhero movies are never going to really be that deep or earth shattering but so what, you need a balance aswell

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10691449)

The social relevance of Black Panther could also lead to it being a film that's highly valued down the line, especially from a historic point of view.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10691521)

I fundamentally disagree, but it would take me more time than I have right now to elaborate. I might later :joker:. I guess all I'll say in the shortest terms is, he's mistaking "completely different" with "inferior".

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10691551)

Nobody ain't got time for one of your novels.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10691552)

I'd be interested to hear!

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10691539)

Not to be "that guy", but what social relevance? There have been black superhero movies for decades tbh

Originally Posted by Tony Montana (Post 10691556)

It was the first comic book film to have a predominantly black cast.

Apart from the Blade films, what other black superhero films have there been?

Originally Posted by Tony Montana (Post 10691556)

It was the first comic book film to have a predominantly black cast.

Apart from the Blade films, what other black superhero films have there been?

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10691539)

Not to be "that guy", but what social relevance? There have been black superhero movies for decades tbh

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10691566)

And most of them are blaxpoitation films or films that take inspiration from that era. What makes Black Panther so innovative was the fact that it didn't rely on the blaxploitation angle and it was a film that embraced culture and spoke of issues in a way that's never been handled in a mainstream superhero film before. It's difficult to explain but, in the US in particular, it's a very important film because it bucked a lot of trends that people used to devalue black actors and films with minority casts.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10691506)

A lot of the cast have acknowledged Stanley Kubrick's behaviour during the filming of The Shining and there's plenty of pieces that go into the history of that film.



Basically during the (very long) shoot for The Shining, Stanley Kubrick bullied Shelley Duvall relentlessly and isolated her from the cast and crew to make sure no one could comfort her or help her. He belittled her talents repeatedly, forced her to do over a hundred takes for shots for no good reason and was generally a sociopathic piece of **** towards her. A lot of her acting in that film isn't believed to be acting but her literally having breakdowns under the stress Kubrick heaped on her. She legitimately had to keep bottles of water close by at all times because her tears left her dehydrated because she was forced to cry for twelve hours a day. I'm pretty sure there's other stuff that I'm forgetting but he was generally evil towards her which is strange because he chose to cast her against Jack Nicholson's advice who wanted Jessica Lange to be cast instead. I believe it was because Kubrick probably knew he couldn't have done to Lange what he did to Duvall.

She never really acted much after that film was done and the experience has been attributed to driving her off the edge as she suffers from mental issues now.

I can't really appreciate his talent in the light of what he did to Shelley Duvall.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10691560)

Only one I can think of is hancock..if hes meant to be a superhero :laugh:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10691560)

Only one I can think of is hancock..if hes meant to be a superhero :laugh:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10691578)

He's more of an Anti Hero I would have thought :think:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10691579)

Black Panther has a rating of 7.3 on IMDB

That doesn't sound like it was overly impressive with the public.

Not seen it myself, so I couldn't tell you anything about it.

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 10691581)

I think I get (and agree with) what he's saying: they're largely crowdpleasers and meant to wow people in the same sense that fireworks displays and theme parks are. I'm sure there are thousands of people who take the same sort of emotional impact from these films as others do with the likes of The Departed/The Godfather/No Country for Old Men etc... but they're usually teenagers :laugh:

This whole thing will be spun out of proportion though and made to sound as if he's this horribly bitter bloke with a contempt for the state of the film industry when he's, presumably, quite unbothered and happy with his success :laugh:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 10691587)

IMDb is a hard thing to gauge because nowadays most films (especially popular ones) have a particular reactionary movement from snobs/web bros.

Every time there's a movie that comes out now with some level of tokenism ("all black cast! first gay superhero! women produced/directed 85% of the movie!") there's usually a counter-movement from the anti-PC brigade that'll give it a 1/10 without even having seen the movie. The female remake of the Ghostbusters was the most notable recent example: it was a perfectly "fine" movie, nothing amazing but nothing terrible either, but meninists took it upon themselves to decry it as the worst thing since the Holocaust.

Edit: even the films that most people agree are amazing/classics, you'll find a bunch of trolls giving it 1/10s to make sure its total score ends up falling below a movie they're trying to champion

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10691593)

Maybe, although I'd expect they have a system that can identify trolling.

I still think it's the best rating system online for films. I've found it more helpful than Rotten Tomatoes in finding a film I like. Although the likely hood is that more guys use it more than girls, so guy type films will likely score higher.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10691600)

Why would you think more guys than girls use it?

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10691579)

Black Panther has a rating of 7.3 on IMDB

That doesn't sound like it was overly impressive with the public.

Not seen it myself, so I couldn't tell you anything about it.