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GiRTh 14-11-2019 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10711707)
quite but is important for the young people to realise that back then is not the same as now - ie these movies were not made in a society that reflects 2019 and that had they been born back there they would not have noticed, if that makes sense

hopefully that is what parents are for

Thats the point of the warning. :shrug:

EDIT: SHaun beat me to it. :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 14-11-2019 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 10711726)
True, but isn't that basically what this warning does? Differentiate between then and now?

will kids understand?

Mystic Mock 14-11-2019 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10711635)
It's just a warning before the films air? What's wrong with that?

Does there really need to be a warning about an old Film having outdated views though? It's not the end of the world for me, but I think everyone expects a Film from the 40's to have racism as sadly it was the norm back then.

Mystic Mock 14-11-2019 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10711732)
will kids understand?

I think older kids will understand.

Admittedly the warning might actually be good for younger kids who have never experienced or heard about prejudice much before. So I am starting to warm to the idea better.

bots 14-11-2019 07:24 PM

Kids won't take any notice of a warning at the start, so it's not aimed at them. It's aimed at the adults watching it. I don't see it as a warning, i see it as LT says, as a way of mitigating against any negativity at what is being shown.

At the end of the day, they were the company that created/commissioned that content, adding a warning is not taking responsibility for that.

Niamh. 14-11-2019 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 10711772)
Does there really need to be a warning about an old Film having outdated views though? It's not the end of the world for me, but I think everyone expects a Film from the 40's to have racism as sadly it was the norm back then.

I just dont understand why people are so annoyed about it is all

Amy Jade 14-11-2019 07:37 PM

It's actually a good idea I don't really understand the backlash

Mystic Mock 14-11-2019 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10711782)
I just dont understand why people are so annoyed about it is all

Oh I'm with you 100% on why would people be annoyed about it.

Jake. 14-11-2019 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 10711772)
Does there really need to be a warning about an old Film having outdated views though? It's not the end of the world for me, but I think everyone expects a Film from the 40's to have racism as sadly it was the norm back then.

Unless children have been educated as such, there wouldn’t be a reason for them to have knowledge on it, really. I think this kind of thing helps that.

user104658 14-11-2019 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10711674)
and "you people" really think this about racism and not fear of a lawsuit


huh?

Does it matter?

Crimson Dynamo 14-11-2019 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10711873)
Does it matter?

It matters that real motive is discussed and understood

Scarlett. 14-11-2019 10:23 PM

It's just a warning placed at the start of the content, its not like they've butchered it to fit modern standards.

Marsh. 15-11-2019 12:59 AM

Don't see the problem with an indication, just like any family movie warns of sex references etc.

Marsh. 15-11-2019 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10711777)
At the end of the day, they were the company that created/commissioned that content, adding a warning is not taking responsibility for that.

But ran by different people... living in entirely different times so not as though it's a racist person shouting "It's ok my cousin's black!"

Marsh. 15-11-2019 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10711880)
It matters that real motive is discussed and understood

Do you discuss the "real motive" for all the small print on dog food? Or the age classification on a DVD? No.

Mystic Mock 15-11-2019 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 10711854)
Unless children have been educated as such, there wouldn’t be a reason for them to have knowledge on it, really. I think this kind of thing helps that.

I am starting to be won over with the idea.

As long as it's only a 2 seconds disclaimer and not editing content from these Films.

Marsh. 15-11-2019 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 10711915)
I am starting to be won over with the idea.

As long as it's only a 2 seconds disclaimer and not editing content from these Films.

If they were editing the footage out, there would be no need for a warning. :hee:

Mystic Mock 15-11-2019 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10711917)
If they were editing the footage out, there would be no need for a warning. :hee:

:joker:

I should've clarified that I meant in the future that Disney doesn't extend the disclaimer into editing out footage.

Ammi 15-11-2019 04:36 AM

...I think it’s perfect for the warnings to be adopted by Disney as well because children understand so much of the world around them with regards to stereotypes..and this creates an opening to conversations which are necessary....

Jake. 15-11-2019 05:54 AM

The same thing happened with Tom & Jerry dvd collections iirc. Whoppi Goldberg provided a disclaimer at the beginning warning of the racially insensitive content and whilst they are wholly unexceptable in todays society, to remove them would be attempting to wash over that such stereotypes existed.

Livia 15-11-2019 09:40 AM

I watch a lot of old films on Talking Pictures TV and nine times out of ten there is a warning about outdated language or something. It has never detracted from my enjoyment. I would rather have that than include inappropriate characters. For instance... I've seen a black guardsman during Queen Victoria's reign, I've seen black people in positions of power 100 years ago. To me that's just like pretending things were always fine for black people... and that isn't the case, and taking political correctness to that kind of length, to me, is trying to change history and the struggle black people had back then.

That said... Can Hollywood stop portraying the English and the Germans as crooks. If there's a megalomaniac set on world domination, they're either English or German.

Livia 15-11-2019 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 10711933)
The same thing happened with Tom & Jerry dvd collections iirc. Whoppi Goldberg provided a disclaimer at the beginning warning of the racially insensitive content and whilst they are wholly unexceptable in todays society, to remove them would be attempting to wash over that such stereotypes existed.

I agree.

Kizzy 15-11-2019 11:26 AM

Pc gone mad to its totally acceptable in less than a day..That's real progress :)

Crimson Dynamo 15-11-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10711777)
Kids won't take any notice of a warning at the start, so it's not aimed at them. It's aimed at the adults watching it. I don't see it as a warning, i see it as LT says, as a way of mitigating against any negativity at what is being shown.

At the end of the day, they were the company that created/commissioned that content, adding a warning is not taking responsibility for that.

Yes heaven forbid they just don't try and make millions from racist content.....

Kizzy 15-11-2019 01:25 PM

I'm going to court controversy here but if you take away the voices from the blackbirds and make the Siamese cats sound less Siamese then are you just whitewashing the whole thing?

In society there are different cultures and ethnicities why not in cartoon?


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