Well said.:joker:

Ian is a prick, he totally overreacted. Caitlyn was fine with doing the dishes and Kate was happy to help out. Andrew had just done a trial and wanted a nap, what's the problem?

James, Myles and Roman were petty aswell making little digs. I think they see him as the weakest guy in there so just find any reason to talk badly about him.

Caitlyn is a pot washer?

As I said in the main thread this is totally down to Ian and James being pricks tbh, Andrew is guilty of starting most of the quibbles he’s been in but this was blatant gang mentality and just a bit mean tbh from Ian and James. They could have had a word with him before he napped and explain that his chores needed to come first but everyone waited until he went off to have their little bitch. I can guarantee if it was anyone else they’d have been completely fine with it. Even Caitlyn said she was completely fine with him going for a nap

Well yeah that's the crux of it really isn't it, If Myles or Roman had just come back from a trial and said they were tired, there's no way Ian or James would have batted an eyelid, probably would have went and tucked them in and all pfft

James is a typical “rugby lad” that I remember from school and college, try to make out they’re of a better moral standing/manners and a great person but it just masks their toxic masculinity and cuntishness

That whole thing the other day when he wouldn’t let Kate speak yet he was harping on about good manners letting women go first?

And would have been crucified if he’d have given Ian food (and I bet the show runners would have docked more than one star for the drama)

Also the reaction for his ten stars was definitely muted in comparison to other people, and he did it all on his own...



I’m saying all of this and I don’t even like Andrew tbh :joker:

Yeah, spot on about his interaction with kate, if he respected her/women he would have let her give her opinion and treated her opinion as equally important as his. Not just tell her to pipe down and do what he says basically.

haha same tbh, I can see he might be a bit annoying but I still think he's being treated unfairly, mainly by Ian and James

I still like all of them. I think it's normal to have disagreements sometimes.
But they usually talk things through and sort things out straightaway.

I saw Ola Jordan (can’t stand her but still) on Twitter say if it was her year she’d have let the men go first because they seem to need it more, well they did in her year. Not sure if I agree with her or not but James would have just shut her down. Personally I’d have gone age/health first

Well the men (not all of them) are the ones constantly complaining about how hungry they are so there's some logic in that. Personally though I think they should have just threw their canteens in a bag and picked the order at random. All of them wanted to be at the dinner and I don't think anyone deserves it more than anyone else

Obviously I am the only one that feels he didnt NEED a nap after the trial. If I hadnt seen the trial I would have thought it was very very hard on the body and he was exhausted after it but it was the easiest I have ever seen. I do however agree that James and Ian need to be taken down a peg or two. They dont OWN the camp

I don’t think anyone really thinks he needed a nap but Ian/James/others went way OTT and it was a bit unfair really

He might have been exhausted, not due to the trial but the heat, and he hasn't been sleeping, its not like he said he wasn't going to wash up, he said they would do it afterwards, Caitlyn wasn't fussed, I think James and Ian take every opportunity to promote themselves and its basically annoying

Yeah he may not have needed it but tbf he had mentioned earlier in the episode he hadn't slept well the night before so he could have just been tired because of that. Either way why does it matter, no one was bothered only James and Ian, on behalf of someone else who wasn't bothered at all

I hope he winds up Ian again tonight :hehe:

They always wind up each other :joker:

This.

Same.

Think you nailed it.

They aren’t picking on him....after his outburst towards Ian and his behaviour discussing the Dingo Dollar question, he has hardly made himself Mr Popular :shrug:

Andrew was definitely being strange

Why is roman and his snide digs being ignored in all this?

Ehhh?? :conf: