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Cherie 30-12-2019 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10743629)
What's a percentage point in terms of pupil numbers?...

You are deliberately skewing the point, disadvantaged children all deserve an equal chance and a help up the ladder based on merit alone.

Why is that such a taboo concept?...

Its not taboo at all, what are you on about

Kizzy 30-12-2019 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743631)
I agree, and unless all financial help based on ethnicity is scrapped, there should be something for wgite disadvantaged pupils.

Maybe that is what needs to happen, however there are always exceptions for the most disadvantaged group in any scenario.
Perpetuating myths that white boys are the most disadvantaged is still however a lie. It's fake news.

Sky and the editor of the spectator are spreading misinformation.

Oliver_W 30-12-2019 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10743641)
Maybe that is what needs to happen, however there are always exceptions for the most disadvantaged group in any scenario.
Perpetuating myths that white boys are the most disadvantaged is still however a lie. It's fake news.

Sky and the editor of the spectator are spreading misinformation.

Even if they're not the most disadvantaged, they're the group that gets the least help, and that should be levelled.

Kizzy 30-12-2019 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10743636)
If he was offering it to just black boys would your attitude be the same?

Yes obviously, I've just explained my position on this very clearly cherie.

Kizzy 30-12-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743644)
Even if they're not the most disadvantaged, they're the group that gets the least help, and that should be levelled.

And you know this how?

Kizzy 30-12-2019 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10743638)
Its not taboo at all, what are you on about

It must be... there are people going on national telly advocating helping children based on their race. Granted the information was wrong but that won't matter, it's out there now isn't it?

Tom4784 30-12-2019 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10743636)
If he was offering it to just black boys would your attitude be the same?

White people are the majority in pretty much all private education. If you are white, you have more of a chance of attending these places then if you were black. Black people in particular are a severe minority in prestigious schools and universities so there's a definite need for bursaries in that case.

At the end of the day, this man's reasoning for a 'white boy only' bursary is flimsy at best, it seems more likely to me that he's more interested in keeping the school mostly white.

Tom4784 30-12-2019 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743631)
I agree, and unless all financial help based on ethnicity is scrapped, there should be something for wgite disadvantaged pupils.

This is such a gross attitude. It's like when you see children who only wants something because someone else has it and when they can't have it, they try to ruin it for everyone.

Cherie 30-12-2019 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10743651)
It must be... there are people going on national telly advocating helping children based on their race. Granted the information was wrong but that won't matter, it's out there now isn't it?

A taboo would mean it couldn't be discussed, its being discussed aplenty it appears?

If this guy wanted to give his money to an animal shelter, no one would have an issue, send it off to a foreign climes to aid the locals, no issue, give bursaries to disadvantaged white boys, que the outrage, he probably would have got away with it if he donated to white girls. I am pretty sure there are similar bursaries available purely for those from ethnic minorities as well if we cared to look where is the outrage for those...

Cherie 30-12-2019 04:24 PM

Here we go...

https://www.thescholarshiphub.org.uk...-scholarships/

Ethnic minority scholarships






Why are there scholarships for ethnic minorities?
Why is it that discrimination is illegal and yet it is considered acceptable to offer scholarships specifically for ethnic or indeed any type of minority group?
Scholarships for minorities are usually offered by charities or foundations that have been established with the specific charitable purpose of widening participation or encouraging diversity. Universities might offer minority scholarships to encourage applications from particular groups in order to meet their widening participation targets.
In the case of ethnic minority scholarships, the fact is that overall, BME students made up 29 per cent of all entrants to full-time first degrees in 2015-16, despite these groups making up just 18 per cent of the 15-year-old population in the 2011 census in England.
However, the key point to note is that the outcomes for these groups of students often lag behind their white peers. Non-white students are less likely to achieve a first or upper second class degree. The differences exist at all levels of entry qualifications, so are even apparent among students who enter higher education with very high prior attainment.

Oliver_W 30-12-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10743659)
White people are the majority in pretty much all private education. If you are white, you have more of a chance of attending these places then if you were black.

Tell that to working class white boys who can't afford to go.


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Black people in particular are a severe minority in prestigious schools and universities so there's a definite need for bursaries in that case.
It's not really something that "needs" to be fixed, there is no correct amount of any type of person. There is an incorrect proportion, and thats 0%, otherwise the chips should be allowed to fall as they may.

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10743660)
This is such a gross attitude. It's like when you see children who only wants something because someone else has it and when they can't have it, they try to ruin it for everyone.

What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

Tom4784 30-12-2019 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743678)
Tell that to working class white boys who can't afford to go.



It's not really something that "needs" to be fixed, there is no correct amount of any type of person. There is an incorrect proportion, and thats 0%, otherwise the chips should be allowed to fall as they may.


What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

It's the fact that you were angling to get any bursaries that benefit ethnic minorities scrapped, hence the 'If I can't have it, no one can' comparison. That's a gross and incredibly self entitled way of looking at things.

The private school game is rigged in favour of white people and it's always has been, that's why by saying 'let the chips fall as they may' is the same as saying 'I'm okay with people not having the same opportunities as me as long as they aren't white.'

It's white privilege at it's core.

Cherie 30-12-2019 04:53 PM

Personally I think it’s good to have bursaries available for dedicated groups, when you apply you know you are not at a disadvantage straight off the bat because you are up against a group who are considered more disadvantaged so you have no hope

Oliver_W 30-12-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10743690)
It's the fact that you were angling to get any bursaries that benefit ethnic minorities scrapped, hence the 'If I can't have it, no one can' comparison. That's a gross and incredibly self entitled way of looking at things.

I'd prefer help be available for white working class pupils to make it fairer :shrug:

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The private school game is rigged in favour of white people
In what way?

Twosugars 30-12-2019 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743695)


In what way?

Racism, Oliver. The thing you said doesnt exist.

Oliver_W 30-12-2019 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10743713)
Racism, Oliver. The thing you said doesnt exist.

Not once have i said it doesn't exist. And that doesn't answer the question - how is the private school system rigged in white pupils' favour?

Marsh. 30-12-2019 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743678)
What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

Because not everyone requires the same level of help, or help at all. Obviously.

Oliver_W 30-12-2019 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10743798)
Because not everyone requires the same level of help, or help at all. Obviously.

A working class white pupil needs the same help as a working class black pupil, but one is more often left out when it comes to financial aid.

Marsh. 30-12-2019 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743801)
A working class white pupil needs the same help as a working class black pupil, but one is more often left out when it comes to financial aid.

You're trying to equalise two things that are not equal.

There is plenty of help for working class kids. The majority of which will be white.

This attempt of yours to suggest white people have it worse off than minorities is embarrassing and false.

Ant. 30-12-2019 07:02 PM

there are bursaries for vegetarians

Marsh. 30-12-2019 07:03 PM

:joker:

Ant. 30-12-2019 07:05 PM

https://www.vegetariancharity.org.uk...t-may-may.html

There's also one for peoplencalled Graham and I've NEVER met a black person called Graham

Oliver_W 30-12-2019 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10743813)
You're trying to equalise two things that are not equal.

In what way are they not equal?

Marsh. 30-12-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10743828)
In what way are they not equal?

Are we discussing the topic, or your make-believe fantasy that white people have it worse than ethnic minorities?

Oliver_W 30-12-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10743832)
Are we discussing the topic, or your make-believe fantasy that white people have it worse than ethnic minorities?

I didn't eay either have it worse, I said they have it the same, apart from when it comes to available help.


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