Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10832054)

ok true

but this is again another incident what could've sooo easily avoided if people just stay home, and rather than doing disgusting **** like this, more being kind for each other as it should now more than ever

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10832041)

I don't know why everyone is clutching their pearls at the idea of there being a problem with parenting - it's 100% correct that most teens who get caught up in cycles of crime and violence come from "broken" backgrounds, often heavy substance abuse, often not even living with a parent at all.

Sure there are a VERY SMALL number who come from normal family homes but have gone massively off the rails for other reasons (psychological disorders, getting drawn in by someone else influential, being badly bullied themselves and flipping to the other side to stop being the target) but there is simply no denying that severely delinquent behaviour in under 18's is linked to problems at home.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10832047)

I take it you're mocking me here... added a sociology degree to your list of accolades? Well done.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10832056)

How.. how do you know those children weren't killed in their beds at home?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10832063)

The stereotyping is real... This is the debates section, I'm having a say, there are the usual put downs but I press on. :D

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10832144)

Now that stop and search has been labelled as racist, I suppose it's not PC to mention that knife crime(and gun crime) is predominantly a black crime and ask when someone's going to ask the black community to help? Rather than let babies be slaughtered for the sake of race relations.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10832169)

Violent crime isn't "black crime", it's "social deprivation crime" but unfortunately it is the case that the most deprived communities (especially in the south of England) are the BAME communities, and therefore the crimes are more likely to be committed by people from those communities.

You only need to look to your good cousins up North to see that; plenty of addictions and knife crime in Glasgow, too, as there are plenty of deprived areas... but they're overall much "whiter".

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10832169)

Violent crime isn't "black crime", it's "social deprivation crime" but unfortunately it is the case that the most deprived communities (especially in the south of England) are the BAME communities, and therefore the crimes are more likely to be committed by people from those communities.

You only need to look to your good cousins up North to see that; plenty of addictions and knife crime in Glasgow, too, as there are plenty of deprived areas... but they're overall much "whiter".

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10832162)

It's not stereotyping, children from traumatic backgrounds are more likely to end up with addiction problems or involved in gangs/violence (or both). It's an important statistic and not one to poo-poo away, because acknowledging it is what allows for earlier intervention and support for vulnerable youngsters. Thankfully, CAMHS, social services, addiction services and various charitable organisations DO recognise this and go with robust science and empirical evidence, and not anecdotal nothings like "Well plenty of people have a tough time and don't become criminals".

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10832144)

A baby girl of 12 months and a three year old little boy stabbed to death in Ilford. The girl was dead already and the boy died of his injuries in hospital.

Now that stop and search has been labelled as racist, I suppose it's not PC to mention that knife crime(and gun crime) is predominantly a black crime and ask when someone's going to ask the black community to help? Rather than let babies be slaughtered for the sake of race relations.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10832192)

Bunch of strawmanning.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10832227)

Don't misquote me..

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10832231)

Please don't misquote me.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10832200)

Is ethnicity involved?... My first instinct was domestic violence, that is not exclusively a 'black crime', if that is a thing...I dont think it is btw.

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan (Post 10831915)

There was another stabbing in Smethwick which isnt far from here.

The video is circulating online and the man had sadly died pretty much before he hit the ground

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan (Post 10832240)

They first said he was 20 but now said he was 31 I dint get how they can get an age wrong by 11 years

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10832273)

But if scotland and it's white community that carried knives can together dramatically reduce those knife crimes..


Why can't England and it's black/asian community not only reduce thiers, but also stop it dramatically rising. It can only be that black, white and asian are more different than the colour of skin

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10832294)

Have they tried to tackle it in the same way? If not I'm not sure how you can jump to that conclusion.