Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10872881)

That's a great point, as you know we only had a referendum here on abortion a few years ago, and the vast majority of people campaigning against it were men and the only ones I spoke to in real about it, I knew for a fact were the ones who had no idea what it took to raise a child. It's weird because when I was younger I was against abortion, it wasn't until I actually had a child myself and really understood in real terms what it all entailed did I switch very firmly to the pro-choice side

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10872892)

Pro-lifers aren’t pro-life, they’re pro-birth, when kids are born they’re on their own and they couldn’t care less, they want people in all situations to give birth, then they cut funds from all available sources of help to raise said kid, they’re hypocrites

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10872888)

This applies to me & my wife as well - we were anti-abortion until we had kids, which sound AWFUL as a standalone statement (like we wish we'd done it :umm2: ) but that's obviously not the case... just that we didn't understand how truly life-altering having a child is until we had children. Especially having a child with additional needs, if we had gotten pregnant again we would have had to strongly consider (and likely would have gone with) abortion purely because we know we simply wouldn't be able to give our youngest the time and attention she needs with another younger child in the mix. There are multiple, huge considerations for anyone bringing a child into the world.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10872888)

This applies to me & my wife as well - we were anti-abortion until we had kids, which sound AWFUL as a standalone statement (like we wish we'd done it :umm2: ) but that's obviously not the case... just that we didn't understand how truly life-altering having a child is until we had children. Especially having a child with additional needs, if we had gotten pregnant again we would have had to strongly consider (and likely would have gone with) abortion purely because we know we simply wouldn't be able to give our youngest the time and attention she needs with another younger child in the mix. There are multiple, huge considerations for anyone bringing a child into the world.

I am still against late-stage abortions unless there are significant medical reasons for it (because being blunt, at that stage the "bundle of cells" argument is little more than a comfortable lie) but yeah I do find that most strongly anti-abortion people are either very naive (don't understand the implications) or very privileged (the implications are less, because they have the means to hire as much help as they need).

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10872892)

Pro-lifers aren’t pro-life, they’re pro-birth, when kids are born they’re on their own and they couldn’t care less, they want people in all situations to give birth, then they cut funds from all available sources of help to raise said kid, they’re hypocrites

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10872897)

I agree with all that, the only thing I will add is that life does not begin at birth anyone who has felt a child kicking in the womb will know this , and that is why there is quite rightly a cap at 24 weeks

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10872897)

I agree with all that, the only thing I will add is that life does not begin at birth anyone who has felt a child kicking in the womb will know this , and that is why there is quite rightly a cap at 24 weeks

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10872895)

To be fair, you can oppose abortion and still be pro-choice. A lot of people who are pro-choice probably would never want or have an abortion but they don't want to force their choices on anyone else.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10872928)

This is pretty much my position. I don't think people should have abortions, but I also don't think it's my business what other people get up to :laugh:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10872925)

I think there is something very wrong in countries like Africa where year in year out they have kids only for them to die of lack of food water disease or aids.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10872931)

Also, the people who go on like some women use abortion as a form of contraception clearly have no idea what it's like to get an abortion. I haven't had one myself but know people who have, it's not a pleasant experience emotionally, mentally or physically

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10872949)

I did know a girl at my school who had 6 before she turned 18. Needless to say though, she was a troubled girl and there were obviously other things going on there. She was also exclusively sleeping with guys in their 30's and 40's.

No one would just casually use it as a replacement for normal contraception.

Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10872956)

It might be an interesting question if I believed you were making this thread for anything other than to try and cause arguments and get attention.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10872963)

Cause arguments amongst whom?


A thread maker looking for attention...
Whatever next.

Why not just answer the question seeing as you find it interesting?

Rather than looking for whatever it was you were looking for in your last reply

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10872934)

It's not an easy choice to make, it's a heavy one which enrages me when you see people protesting outside of clinics and calling the women who have no choice but to have an abortion all sorts.

They're already making a difficult choice, to shame them for it is such cruelty ill-fitting of someone who claims to be 'pro-life'.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10872871)

The pro-life people are not pro-life, they are pro-control because they only give a **** about limiting choice by feigning concern for a bunch of cells, when the actual baby comes along, they don't give a **** and they certainly don't give a **** about black pregnancies and mothers or their children.

Black lives matter and life begins at birth.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10872871)

The pro-life people are not pro-life, they are pro-control because they only give a **** about limiting choice by feigning concern for a bunch of cells, when the actual baby comes along, they don't give a **** and they certainly don't give a **** about black pregnancies and mothers or their children.

Black lives matter and life begins at birth.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10872925)

I think there is something very wrong in countries like Africa where year in year out they have kids only for them to die of lack of food water disease or aids.

Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10872966)

I don't find it interesting. It's a ridiculous question. The two matters are completely unrelated.