You can tell the bbc isn’t biased because both sides accuse it of being biased

Oh yes, the Russians. They also influenced the EU referendum, the Scottish independence referendum, the UK election, the US election .... My street had a power cut a year or so ago, maybe that was them too.

To be clear, I didn't like either party in 2019 and wanted a hung parliament. I'm not pro-Tory so I don't really care they were funded by the Russians.

Don't agree with this. The BBC did used to have a left wing slant, but that is long gone as it's basically run by old etonian schoolmates of the cabinet. Laura Kuenssberg attacks labour, does cosy chats with boris just acts as a stenographer for the tory party.

I do agree that Labour handed the Tories victory by not replacing Corbyn as leader before the GE ...he did well in the 2017 election as he was up against an already unpopular May and her even more unpopular ideas for paying for care, but he was never going to win against Bojo

They have biased individual reporters absolutely and they should be held to stricter impartiality rules, but in general I think the organisation is realistically balanced, even though the newly appointed head is someone who ran to be an mp as a Tory

Although saying that, they did say that pointing out lies told by the government would ‘undermine public confidence in democracy’ so yeah, **** em, bunch of tories

It’s one reason so many of us detest politics and politicians.


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Liam Corbyn may have been right on this,
but on other things like the Russian poison attack
he was very wrong.

What do you think about the NHS being on the table?

Well I have to say it's never the majority of public swayed by either the deceit of this particular government or by the media.

Yes Johnson sits with an 80 overall majority but with between 43 to 44% only of the actual votes cast.
That means over 56% voted against him.

Labour and the Lib Dem votes, equalled the Tory vote.

That's an even less mandate considering the numbers eligible to vote too.

However, the splintering of a more pro EU or EU deal vote between 5 parties.
Left a near clean run for Johnson and his so called, ( not now so however), oven ready leaving EU deal.

All else, outside of brexit sadly fell by the wayside.
Labour's my party but it came across as desperate in promising all sorts, even adding things during the campaign.
Had they stressed their plans were for a 10 year plan period, that would have had more credibility.
Although at best, really all I could see was another hung parliament.

The NHS sadly, got lost in the election debate as not enough were listening to the warnings in a reasoned way.
Now we are seeing possibly the start of a new agenda, showing the real thinking of this dangerous Con party as to the NHS.

Nothing we can do now for over 4 years.
So it seems that 43+% will get ALL they wanted.
While over 56% will be dismissed and get the worst they feared would come.

Those percentages should worry all voters because whatever it is, it's not now in a multi party setting, real democracy.
It was in the past with fewer parties, not now.

Where something like a quarter of voters that voted, don't now vote for either main party.

Elections shouldn't be in any possible way able to be won with anything like an 80 overall majority for one party.
By ANY Party that gets so far under 50% of even just the votes cast.
Never mind the whole electorate eligible to vote.

i think if the NHS is on the table, we should put the cabinet on the table too. let the surgeons do a bit of corrective surgery

The NHS should be ringfenced and protected with no questions asked. Even if it needs drastic reform, that should be happening in a safe "bubble" of funding that acknowledges that no reform will involve dismantling or outsourcing. It shouldn't be a party politics issue, if this pandemic has shown anything it's that GLOBAL universal healthcare is only going to become increasingly important.

Nah, I reject that, people's votes are their own responsibility and it's down to them to be informed and know what they are actually voting for. A tory voter can't blame the opposition for them deciding to vote against their own interests. They chose to vote Tory despite it being widely known how it could affect things like the NHS because they chose to be uninformed and not take in any information that makes them doubt the tories.

The NHS inevitable destruction is largely down to moronic voters enabling it. If the UK public were actually more informed and less gullible, the Tories would never be elected.

You don't care that the ruling party is funded by a hostile foreign country? If you truly don't care about the tories, why are you downplaying the Russian influence by making it seem like a conspiracy theory when it's not? What would be the benefit if not to strengthen the Tories' position by making out that they aren't russian puppets?

...Trump said it wasn’t on the table, though...and Trump is prided and known for his honesty....oh...

Maybe "don't care" isn't quite right, but it doesn't affect my decision as I couldn't think much less to them anyway.

Still an odd way to react to the news that the majority party is basically funded by russian money and is enabling russian interference.

This is the kind of thing you're meant to care about, Oliver.

Yes Trump made an Error.

....bless, I guess he’s allowed one error...oh...

oh no! :shocked: i’ll go out and clap now that should fix it xx

This shouldn’t be news to anyone at all. And the same that voted for this would have been the ones doing clap for NHS. Remember when people thought Boris becoming sick would suddenly make him a human being? Give me a break.

For Liam and Slim
A Remix Image.

Shock horror who'd have thought it :notimpressed: , but no matter what Corbyn was hated and never had a chance. And labour will continue to be demonised .

As the Tories run this country down the toilet :bored: .

A lot being assumed from the government not supporting an opposition amendment to their motion, maybe better to wait and see what actually happens, its not the case that x must happen because y didn't happen. This bill in question was about ensuring trading arrangements that have already been agreed continue after Brexit, it's nothing to do with future trade arrangements with the US or anyone else