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How did he ‘approach him with intent’ walking up to someone isn’t violence, the violent racist started the physical altercation, a violent racist doesn’t deserve sympathy if someone retaliates, sorry
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Moral judgement aside - I don't think it's a good look and if they'd caved in his head (which is actually quite feasible if a young fit guy is punching an old brittle skull full force) they'd achieve nothing other than getting themselves thrown in jail for a long time. |
If you’re ‘old and frail’ you shouldn’t be out abusing people and starting fights, not everyone has the ability to bite their tongue and not retaliate when they’re attacked and I don’t think they have to either, if you’re tough enough to throw a punch, don’t be surprised when you get something back, old or not
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I wouldn't say it was justifiable of them to hit him however I can understand why they got that angry
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I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, really. Maybe your opinion won't change and you'll continue advocating for violent response to violence. In which case my opinion would be that you still have growing up to do. My opinion on this would have been very different when I was 25. |
I didn’t say my opinion was more valid either, but carry on making it personal if you wish, it’s only what you accuse other people of doing all the time, but sure
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....(..I still can’t see clearly that it most definitely wasn’t open to the reasonable force’ thing... |
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It's all entirely relevant to this thread? |
..I really don’t think that Liam is advocating for violent responses to violence as a whole, as such, he’s very anti violence from what I’ve seen of his thoughts...but more, that violence may inevitably happen because ‘all responses aren’t equal..’...and the older man in his wisdom of years should have known that...
...anyways, that all really...the vid isn’t clear enough for me tbh... |
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it's all about the circumstances of the particular interaction. I know I have gotten particularly angry in some interactions and I even hit someone one time :fist:
Peer pressure can have an enormous impact, similarly if someone feels intimidated etc, they can hit out ... it may be wrong ... but it happens. People rarely get any training on how to de-escalate a situation, and it's probably the most important lesson you can learn in life |
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Yes 2nd post on this thread Liam posted: "Violent racist gets smacked up, as it should be" |
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Also, relevant to the thread, I was 21 at the time and I wouldn't dream of it now. Not even a rugger. |
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Think it's not the place for white people to comment on how a POC should react in the immediate instance of hateful racism towards them.
I will say that the bus driver should have immediately thrown the vile man off the bus though. |
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My dad was born in 1926, he would never have dreamed of speaking that way about anyone. That said I don't think they were right to hit him at all either. Yes they would have been very angry and frustrated but as said having filmed the whole thing it was certain there was going to be some justice. This might not be as severe now due to their retaliation. |
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