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Oliver_W 27-09-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10922510)
safe space and all that

Then don't go in? All views (apart from those that advocate violence, obvs) deserve a space.

arista 27-09-2020 12:19 PM


Kizzy 27-09-2020 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10922508)
If someone's been booked to speak at a university, why should their audience be denied it? People who don't like the speaker don't have to attend :shrug:

My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers. This is akin to saying it's traditional to allow young students to be effectively indoctrinated via right wing mouthpieces.

Ammi 27-09-2020 12:24 PM

Laurence Fox to set up new political party dubbed 'Ukip for culture'...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...-a4557171.html

Kizzy 27-09-2020 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10922514)

King Danny...literally ;)

bots 27-09-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10922512)
Then don't go in? All views (apart from those that advocate violence, obvs) deserve a space.

that's not the way things are done at universities these days, and like i say, hate speech isn't tolerated no matter the banner it is under

Oliver_W 27-09-2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10922521)
that's not the way things are done at universities these days, and like i say, hate speech isn't tolerated no matter the banner it is under

Hm I guess that's why the rules need to be changed :laugh: People saying hateful things only shoots themselves in the foot, so give them enough rope tbh. I don't keep up with the "deplatformings" but most of them weren't even hatefu tbh. People like Amber Rudd and Julie Bindel are fine.

user104658 27-09-2020 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10922516)
My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers. This is akin to saying it's traditional to allow young students to be effectively indoctrinated via right wing mouthpieces.

To be fair I would say if there's a policy of not allowing extreme speech then that should be what it is, it shouldn't be politically partisan. If you don't allow a hard right speaker (and I definitely understand the reasons for that) then you shouldn't allow hard left speakers either. Personally I am inclined to think that Universities are not places to be used as mouthpieces for any extreme in a lecture/monologue situation. I think if you're going to book people with extreme views, it should be for a live debate alongside opposing viewpoints (and moderates). Very little to be gained by giving any person or group with strong political views a "soapbox", especially with young students who are mostly still figuring out their political leanings. They need space to do that.

Liam- 27-09-2020 12:42 PM

I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

user104658 27-09-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10922531)
I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

It'll go exactly the same way as Brexit Party and Change UK.

i.e. nowhere.

Ammi 27-09-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10922531)
I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

...I don’t know, it’s just not catchy enough...the 3 word slogan is the way, I feel, roll like Boris does...Be Better Bigot...?..

arista 27-09-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10922518)
Laurence Fox to set up new political party dubbed 'Ukip for culture'...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...-a4557171.html


Only Due to a Very Rich Conservative backer.


[former
Tory donor Jeremy Hosking.]


Without his Cash
he has nothing.

Oliver_W 27-09-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10922516)
My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers.

Hmmm ... even if he was brought to the issue by "deplatforming" in universities, free speech is something that every reasonable person should be behind.

Tom4784 27-09-2020 01:29 PM

I look forward to his party flopping like his acting career and attempts to be Katie Hopkins did.

arista 27-09-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10922552)
I look forward to his party flopping like his acting career and attempts to be Katie Hopkins did.



It's not his money
so Lozza will not care

bots 27-09-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10922539)
...I don’t know, it’s just not catchy enough...the 3 word slogan is the way, I feel, roll like Boris does...Ke Ketter Kigot...?..

fixed it for you

Tom4784 27-09-2020 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10922553)
It's not his money
so Lozza will not care

His name is attributed to it, he'll look like a bigger joke than he does already when it quietly dies on it's arse.

Kizzy 27-09-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10922524)
To be fair I would say if there's a policy of not allowing extreme speech then that should be what it is, it shouldn't be politically partisan. If you don't allow a hard right speaker (and I definitely understand the reasons for that) then you shouldn't allow hard left speakers either. Personally I am inclined to think that Universities are not places to be used as mouthpieces for any extreme in a lecture/monologue situation. I think if you're going to book people with extreme views, it should be for a live debate alongside opposing viewpoints (and moderates). Very little to be gained by giving any person or group with strong political views a "soapbox", especially with young students who are mostly still figuring out their political leanings. They need space to do that.

Define 'hard left' do we know any hard left speakers? What are their views?
We do know some that have been prevented from speaking at uni, Toby Young, Katie Hopkins that Milo wotsit guy.

There is plenty to gain from having all the future voters singing from the same songbook. And as the country lurches further and further right how could you facilitate this covertly? By framing it as 'tradition'.

Nicky91 27-09-2020 01:39 PM

Hosking looks like a huge fool, salty ex-Tory trying to bring his former party down :joker:

arista 27-09-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10922556)
His name is attributed to it, he'll look like a bigger joke than he does already when it quietly dies on it's arse.



Maybe or Maybe not

Kizzy 27-09-2020 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10922554)
fixed it for you

How about 'Keep Karens Kingdom!' ;)

Kizzy 27-09-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10922550)
Hmmm ... even if he was brought to the issue by "deplatforming" in universities, free speech is something that every reasonable person should be behind.

That very much depends on the person on the platform... free speech is noble but hate speech? How 'reasonable' do you have to be before you can differentiate between the two?

Crimson Dynamo 27-09-2020 01:51 PM

Old Laurence certainly seems to get peoples attention that is for sure

Marsh. 27-09-2020 01:52 PM

As if he knows the meaning of culture.

Oliver_W 27-09-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10922570)
That very much depends on the person on the platform... free speech is noble but hate speech? How 'reasonable' do you have to be before you can differentiate between the two?

I don't see the need to differentiate :shrug: until someone actively calls for violence, they should be able to be hateful as they like.


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