Those countries are easier to lokcdoen because they don't have borders so they can totally limit the risks

We're on an island :laugh:

By Autumn thing will start to look normal and when they stop with the hysterical headlines and publishing death numbers, people will start to forget

Certainly possible... for example a tonne of scientific advancements (for better or worse) came out of WW2, plus a massive sociological catharsis that Europe was painfully in need of.

At the very least, a global pandemic of some description has been on the cards for decades, it was always going to happen at some point, and this one has no doubt seen HUGE advances in virology and epidemiology that will be a massive advantage in future.

you must never forget about this

otherwise you'll go back to life before this, with the dangerous socializing

we need to go to the ''new normal'' and everyone needs to be more hygienic

we need to take down China's wet markets for good their government should nothing to say about that, wet markets should be made illegal and those who do run it, face jail time

Which we have one of the highest tourist numbers aswell as having to keep our borders open to the EU, we also rely on, Also South Korea has a culture to wear masks and Australia is a big spot of land so its spread out alot but in the UK we are literally on top of each other with no getting away

Human nature Nicky ...we will forget in time

Nobody is taking on China, it’s the UK variant now :laugh:

Different times. WWII brought folks to the realisation that cruelty wasn't the right way. We're here on the back of a decade of trashed and diminished services through austerity, and this will be paid for by cuts and debt. There won't be any taxation hike to improve things.

Also, and most importantly, at the end of WW2 everyone was like "jeez, those Nazi's were bad," but we have a government today with the agenda of the 1970's NF, so we're nowhere near there yet.

Honestly it's a little bit different. It's so easy for Aus/NZ to just cut off any other countries but we have a lot more surrounding us here

Proximity to others isn't a deciding factor when on an island, however, dependence on our former EU neighbors is.

I mean the amount of other places around definitely contributes to it. I do agree that everywhere should have been cut off AND stayed off a long time ago, but obviously we were trying to get back to somewhere normal and not even considering a 3rd wave for a long time.

It's not.

Now we have 2 vaccines the chances of at least the elderly and vulnerable getting it is increasing.

Antibody testing needs to be ramped up too I think, it will be interesting to see if the levels of antibodies in the vaccinated are any higher or lover than those in those recovered from covid.

there will be a 3rd wave, a 4th wave, 5th wave, 6th wave


all bc of those anti masker idiots

No Nicky. How does anybody on this earth think that masks have any effect whatsoever when more people have covid cases right now than ever? :skull:

Are you serious?

masks help, hand washing gel routine works perfectly, open your windows, fresh air is better than stinking airco

but the most important thing about this, that everyone also needs to do all of this, you don't have a choice, corona does not choose a side, it is a danger to us all

but getting the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated will be good to drive death numbers down (closer to zero a day)

I mean... are you not? :skull:

How do masks stop the spread when there are more cases than ever? :joker:

How do condoms stop pregnancy when we have more people on earth than ever? :joker:

Everybody who is not vulnerable should get coronavirus to achieve herd immunity, or at least a very good form of it for months+++.

Masks and washing hands don't help. Some girl got covid from putting her hand in a random jacket pocket. People have died from getting spat on.

They break clearly a lot more than you're aware of people thinking they're safe when they're not, which is actually very applicable to covid too. :hee:

Oh and again as always, you're trying to deflect the point I made which is irrelevant but also obviously irrelevant anyway

This is madness. Herd immunity is the first thing this government tried causing the NHS to be overwhelmed and the deaths to rise. Sweden tried herd immunity and are suffering from it today, far worse than any of their neighbours. I can't believe we're 9 months in, and this is what you believe.

Crazy stuff.

I'm not trying to deflect anything. I was honestly gobsmacked that's what you believe in spite of all the advice and science.

So you just listen to science without looking at the numbers? Gotcha...