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MB. 12-01-2021 04:03 PM

perhaps Jodie Foster being one of the top female actors in her day, working far less nowadays and still being the first name that comes to mind when listing out gay actors is a sign that more lead roles in the film industry (gay or otherwise) should go to gay actors as priority

Kizzy 12-01-2021 04:04 PM

So would gay people not be able to take straight roles?... that's limiting :/

user104658 12-01-2021 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 10983721)
I mean, in terms of A/B-list actors who've recently been cast in multiple prominent lead roles, I can think off the top of my head of Daniel Craig, Brad Pitt, Leonard DiCaprio, Timothée Chalamet, Saoirse Ronan, Tom Holland, Margot Robbie, Will Smith, Emily Blunt, Kevin Hart, Ryan Reynolds Robert Pattinson, John David Washington, Gal Gadot, Tom Hanks, Mahershala Ali, Benedict Cumberbatch... I could name many more but you wouldn't find a gay person among them

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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 10983722)
then again, my definition of "Hollywood movie" isn't limited to just the Marvel cinematic universe

Pff. This guy setting himself up as Mr Hollywood Movies Expert when Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson hasn't even been in any Marvel films :idc:.

UserSince2005 12-01-2021 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10983768)
So would gay people not be able to take straight roles?... that's limiting :/

we play straight people every day to survive in this world :bawling:

Niamh. 12-01-2021 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 10983763)
perhaps Jodie Foster being one of the top female actors in her day, working far less nowadays and still being the first name that comes to mind when listing out gay actors is a sign that more lead roles in the film industry (gay or otherwise) should go to gay actors as priority

I mean sexual preference really shouldn't have any bearing on whether you can play a lead (straight or gay) part because it's acting, you are supposed to be playing someone who isn't you but I do take your point that it probably does affect the choices that they make

Oliver_W 12-01-2021 04:20 PM

I think I heard somewhere that John Barrowman wasn't cast in Will & Grace because he "wasn't gay enough" so they went and hired a straight guy :joker:

Kizzy 12-01-2021 04:27 PM

I adore John Barrowman in another universe we're married with 4 kids....

Amy Jade 12-01-2021 04:37 PM

I know she's hated but Amber Heard is openly bisexual and was in a lesbian relationship with a woman when she was cast in Drive Angry in a main role and Justice Smith who was in Detective Pikachu and Jurassic World is queer and doing really well, he just had a leading role in a romantic movie playing a straight man.

GoldHeart 12-01-2021 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10983788)
I think I heard somewhere that John Barrowman wasn't cast in Will & Grace because he "wasn't gay enough" so they went and hired a straight guy :joker:

That's ridiculous, plus wasn't barrowman in Desperate housewives ? which was a big hit show back in the day

Tom4784 12-01-2021 06:38 PM

It's interesting that there's few LGBT a-listers in film, but then again I think LGBT tend to have a bigger place in TV, which is no bad thing these days.

Braden 12-01-2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 10983841)
That's ridiculous, plus wasn't barrowman in Desperate housewives ? which was a big hit show back in the day

Ironically, he played a straight character :p

Beso 12-01-2021 06:48 PM

Surely it's more of a challenge to "act gay" (sorry) if you ain't gay...so to gain the awards for best actor...oh wait..


Tom Hanks has done it already.

Marsh. 12-01-2021 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10983735)
Just because he used to do ballet doesn't make him gay :nono:

I didn't know he did ballet, I don't know his life story. :oh:

Marsh. 12-01-2021 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10983768)
So would gay people not be able to take straight roles?... that's limiting :/

That would eliminate a hell of a lot of movies if we're including not-out gay actors.

Kizzy 12-01-2021 07:41 PM

I know that's why it's silly, since when did your sexuality affect your job? :/

OK. .I mean recently.

Oliver_W 12-01-2021 09:14 PM

Did I dream this or did Rose McGowan say she identifies as nonbinary?

Edit: no I remember, it's her girlfriend who identifies as nb. She's a model or something?

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10983937)
I didn't know he did ballet, I don't know his life story. :oh:

I knew of him before Spidey, he was playing Billy Elliot when I saw it in London yeeeaaaars ago!

GoldHeart 12-01-2021 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Braden (Post 10983920)
Ironically, he played a straight character :p

I never really watched it , but I remember seeing him in ads for it . I might watch it to see if it's any good.

Marsh. 12-01-2021 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 10984011)
I never really watched it , but I remember seeing him in ads for it . I might watch it to see if it's any good.

I wouldn't advise watching it for him, he's in about 3 episodes. :laugh:

user104658 12-01-2021 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10983909)
It's interesting that there's few LGBT a-listers in film, but then again I think LGBT tend to have a bigger place in TV, which is no bad thing these days.

If anything the line has totally blurred at this point, many movie actors are open to doing TV, at the very least short run limited series.

I suspect because its seen as more "legitimate" acting and has much larger budgets (and thus... pay...) than it used to. I've always been a telly fan but its really quite recent that it became often "movie quality".

Ammi 13-01-2021 06:54 AM

...has Janelle Monae had recent movie casting..?...

Ammi 13-01-2021 06:56 AM

...Rupert Everett..?...

Ammi 13-01-2021 06:58 AM

...I do get your point though, MB...it’s a bit of a struggle to think of those names...

user104658 13-01-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10984079)
...I do get your point though, MB...it’s a bit of a struggle to think of those names...

:shrug: LGBTQ makes up somewhere between 5 and 10% of the US population and thus, demographically speaking, for every 5 big actors you can name who are LGBTQ you should be able to name 35 straight ones... Most people can name at least 10... Which would mean thinking of 70 straight Hollywood actors. Which I think would actually be quite difficult off the top of your head. Maybe that's an unpopular opinion :joker:. But there does seem to be occasionally an idea that representation means equality in numbers, which obviously is not the case, representation should mean an accurate reflection of real demographics.

Oliver_W 13-01-2021 09:20 AM

I don't really think there is a "right" amount of any demographics that should be in a movie, especially if we're talking on screen. But when it comes to "big" professional productions there is a wrong number - zero.

Production companies shouldn't feel the need to go out of their way to be diverse, but if they're hiring on a meritocracy and who's available , the diversity will come naturally. But if a production ends up being staffed entirely by straight whites, that's almost certainly deliberate.
(indie productions obviously shouldn't be held to the same standards)

Bit of a tangent, but it's relevant - bigger productions "need" to have big names in their cast, and LGBT people might not be readily available , especially if they don't want to out themselves.

UserSince2005 13-01-2021 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10984095)
:shrug: LGBTQ makes up somewhere between 5 and 10% of the US population and thus, demographically speaking, for every 5 big actors you can name who are LGBTQ you should be able to name 35 straight ones... Most people can name at least 10... Which would mean thinking of 70 straight Hollywood actors. Which I think would actually be quite difficult off the top of your head. Maybe that's an unpopular opinion :joker:. But there does seem to be occasionally an idea that representation means equality in numbers, which obviously is not the case, representation should mean an accurate reflection of real demographics.

I can't name 1 gay hollywood actor? But i think i could turn a few of the straight ones


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