That is a great point Kaz, I think for me it would depend, not couples as generally it doesn't turn out well, but kids, or someone vulnerable, Libby Squires could also potentially have been saved if someone had intervened and got her home

...yeah, the level of ‘intent and evil’ in what they did was something that was unimaginable...I mean, difficult to imagine in adults, but these were children...although I have to say in the many years of working and being involved with safeguarding and social care etc...?...the majority of cases have been child on child abuse...

...that’s kind of a thought that would be hard to leave you...wondering if she was ok as she fell onto the back of her head...that’s so terrifying to have witnessed...

Yes and the witnesses feel real guilt now ,but it's all well and good in hindsight, they aren't to blame I guess, just the evil little fookers that did it.One woman actually stopped them as james was upset and had a mark on his head,and she wanted to take him to the police station as it was nearby,the boys insisted he was their brother so she left it at that,imagine how that poor lady feels now.

I think the worst I've seen was outside my (old) workplace, group of guys were beating up a young guy. They had started to walk off but the guy got up and started taunting them again :umm2: and they all rounded on him, kicked him to the ground right outside our door and were basically jumping on his head... the girl I was working with was on the phone to 999 in a panic and a couple of the guys had picked up a bottle and a brick and were turning back towards the guy, a group of my customers (who all had their noses pressed to the window watching) ran out the door and grabbed them thankfully, think I basically came seconds from witnessing a murder :/.

[edit] Should say my shop wasn't even down some dodgy back-alley or anything - this was right in the centre of town, in the middle of a sunny afternoon :omgno:

omg that sounds horrific.

Oh I was thinking about your comment yesterday about self defense classes and how effective they would be in a real situation and my first thought was about this guy in my son's gym, now granted he's a 2 time world champion heavy weight amateur MMA fighter and has just signed a contract with Bellator to become professional. I have no idea what the guy was thinking when he went for him, I can only put it down to the fact that even though he's a big guy, he looks like he might be quiet, he doesn't look like a tough guy if that makes sense? Anyway, he was in a pub with his g/f and this guy just walks up to him and head butts him, he barely flinched because he's used to getting hit, he just grabbed the guys face and smacked him into a wall. The Police arrive and ask him if he wants to press charges and he just laughs and says Nah look at the state of him :laugh:

I saw this couple have a right slanging match in Tesco, they were effing and jeffing and about 2 inches apart, faces red and eyes bulging.

Id had enough, i marched straight over and said "excuse me can i just reach past you for the mozarella? thanks"

Id already got the penne and the sauce so i wasn't having any of it

:oh:

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People do it to prove something to themselves I think. I sprouted early and was over 6' at 13 and I swear, up until about 15 the number of kids who picked fights at school (not real fights, just "wrastling"/play-fighting but those scraps can get pretty rough :joker: ) with me just because I was the biggest was ridiculous! I remember one particularly short kid literally jumping up and down trying to slap me once and I caught him in mid air and carried him like a baby, he was so mad :laugh: :laugh:. We ended up more or less the same hight by the end of school, too... there's just those weird couple of years in the middle where some kids shoot up to be a foot taller than others.

Yeah maybe that's it, you usually think of these guys as people who try to bully weaker people though I guess

I've added a new photo of a screen shot of a convo I had with my nephew on his first day back in Scotland two weeks ago.