It was never a bbc headline, and you've changed your post to hide the fact that was your first excuse, and I very much doubt they even said that phrase on any their shows as you claim.

Any indoctrination of children into a state ideology is weird and dangerous - left or right wing. Nothing good has ever come from it.

patriotism toward something needs to be earned, not drilled into people with indoctrination

On Screen It was.


Victoria Derbyshire had it

A typical Scottish Tweet
on this,


Crazy.

Weird. You think any authoritarian regime just start up with the worst of humanity on display? That's not how it works, and I'd hope you would have known that already.

They all start off as collectivist patriotism movements.

Stalin didn't come to power telling everyone he was going to starve them all, and Hitler didn't come to power by being honest, either.

There are some very worrying signals in the west and especially the UK at the present time, such as the willingness to break the law, the removal of oversight and scrutiny, the attacks on the legal profession, the cronyism. All key indicators that all is not well with a democracy.

"Patriotism has sometimes led to bad things" is no reason to not be patriotic :shrug:

No, not what I said. That's your reframing of what I wrote so you could try and dismiss it.

Forced anything isn't a good idea when it comes to ideology, and forced patriotism is bad regardless of whether it's here or not.

I have a feeling that folks would see things very differently if it was a load of little kids singing verses from the Qur'an

No, I'm not comparing the Tories to Isis.

Singing about unity and love for one's country is a little different to singing about the smiting of infidels...

You're telling on yourself and proving me right at the exact same time.

:smug:

:joker:

the Hitler youth from the get go was political and was about the nazi party and had racism in its core. Its aim from the 20s on was to train young boys to fight for and die for Germany. The idea was to take boys way from the family group and indoctrinate them and it was very good at doing thyat.

LBC Left Winger
played a bit of the new song at the end of his show.

Whereas all this song wants to do is to encourage loving thy neighbour and country. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with that.

I agree with LT.

That's most rare

Even a stopped clock and all that... :smug:

slim and I have found unity in stopping an Arista backed attempt to re-establish Hitler Youth in schools

to build a military-style youth will train robots to ultimately attack and take over Manchester and send its residents to work camps in Eire.

chilling

I've changed my mind :smug:

You are having a Laugh.

This is a Great New Song Composed by Pupils
for very young children to sing
it does no harm/

it is the sort of thing primary school kids love tbf

i never did, you wouldn't catch me singing anything at school

I loved chanting times tables :laugh: and singing hymns off key