no, it's plain for anybody to see

You can't, because you made it about freedom, and in a free society that's all that matters innit...

That's right Slim.

I think it was a good comparison.
In that it should have been done and carried out sooner too.
To PROTECT lives.

It is Not a good comparison

one has overwhelming scientific evidence

one does not

unless you know otherwise??

We got folks cheering on herd immunity and the vulnerable being picked off, but it's obviously abhorrent to say that out loud, so they cage their language into accusing others of wanting perpetual lockdown. It's pretty offensive tbh.

Everyone has access to what the numbers are doing at the moment, so saying this is the right time for freedom is verging on ghoulish.

don't put words in my mouth. It's a common left wing trait to want to dictate what the masses should do and how they should think, so i'm not surprised by your comments

This is insane. Left/right wing has nothing to do with this discussion, but you've used it as a way to try and ad hominem your way out of it.

Your last paragraph is spot on.

A dangerous and reckless government with some equally as uncaring dangerous supporters too.
I'd say that too as to whatever government was responsible for this mess all through on the pandemic.
Plus this recklessness now.

Apart from the one thing they got right, the vaccine rollout.
Which they left to local authorities and the NHS in the main thankfully.

Let's see how they get ALL the boosters out they now admit will be needed from the Autumn

To ensure CONTINUED protection as much as possible.

bit rich when you have put up a totally false equivalence in the first place :laugh:

It's not a false equivalence.

Poster a makes a post about libertarian freedoms and folks wanting forever lockdowns

Poster b questions why we don't apply this to all areas

Posters A and C claim false equivalence.

It's a reading issue for those claiming it's a false equivalence.

There is nothing wrong with it and you can't keep forcing people to stay indoors otherwise we are heading the way of North Korea.

People say we shouldn't open up but when is the right time? Covid is here to say so you want to spend your lives doing nothing? People have a right to live their life how they want.

One thing I dont agree with is how there is a lack of rules, Nightclubs should be open to those who are double jabbed or have a negative result and that should be made the law but Boris has done this for a reason so he can place blame on the youngsters when we hit another spike bit wont mention filling out stadiums and what not.

Perhaps this is the best time to open up some venues.
I do think if we don’t do it now while people will be outdoors more then we have missed an opportunity.
At the same time, I think the wearing of masks in shops and public transport should be kept.
On a personal level, we will still be very careful who we let visit etc and won’t be mixing in large crowds.

Seems like the 2nd half of your post disagrees with the first half. Lockdown has been pretty much over for months already. Public spaces are full, shops are open etc. There is no lockdown.

However, I agree that removing all restrictions is stupid, and we're basically experimenting with peoples lives and potential new variants at this point.

Lookdown wasn't really iver for the young ones, they still couldn't go out and have the time of there lives, there is zero point in restrictions people know if they are high risk and they should be careful but there are people who are zero risk who should be allowed to get on with their lives but young people are not just content with going shopping and stuff like that they want to party away their best years of their lives and dance with freinds and make new freinds or crack on with strangers, it is something we have not done in 16 months

You also say places should stay closed and restricted but who is paying for all this? The government can't keep extending furlough or giving business bug chunks if money to survive.

Last night was the first time in 16 months that some people have been able to work and im not sure if you know but that is a major deal for some people

Nightclubs were recommended to introduce negative tests or vaccine certs, they declined, so they have gone from 0 to 90 however that said I am not reliant on nightclub income for survival so it would be easy for me to preach to them what to do, Clubs are open across Europe and some countries do not have the vac level the UK is at, there is no right or wrong here, we have to try to get some semblance of normality back, these businesses have been closed for 16 months and many of the young were partying in their homes anyway

No one is zero risk, but it's the experimentation of throwing a load of kids at each other in night clubs to create new variants that is the biggest danger to older people and the vulnerable.

If it was purely down to individual risk, I'd have no issue with a full open up, as the only victims would be themselves, but that's not the case, and especially as we're learning more about long covid.

I guess it comes down to whether we believe the rights of young people and those like myself who are a bit older, trump the rest of society.

I always find it weird when we use money as an argument to avoid doing the right thing. This government will waste infinite money when it comes to test and trace to throw money into serco, or to make sure their donors are getting rich from the pandemic, but expect that money to go to the folks that need it, and suddenly we pretend there isn't any.

then lets see your compelling mask evidence?

All this people complaining didnt complain about having full stadiums and everything

Just been out petrol station still high proportion of customers wearing masks, Sainsburys have asked people to continue to wear masks so stunned to see they have taken screens down at the self service check out, what harm were they doing :shrug:

Tesco are keeping their screens up.
Basically carrying on as before, masks and distancing etc.

yeah ok maybe i complained out of worries, but i hope cases won't spiral out of control


if it helps ease your worries, my nation's new cases seems to be levelling off, and also going down, for three days in a row as of today



but good to hear that some at least continue with masks, distancing :love:

they had a club owner in leeds on the news, he was really emotional at having his business back after 16 months, and I can understand that.

People don't actually care about the mental aspect of this, thousands and thousands of businesses have been closed for 16 months and owners are hemorrhaging money, this is a massive thing for their mental health and financial aspects.

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub