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MTVN 28-10-2021 04:46 PM

Courtney Stodden vibes

bots 28-10-2021 04:53 PM

people call out other forms of discrimination on this forum at the drop of a hat, but ageism has been rampant for a long time. I'm not getting at anyone on this thread, but ageism is real and people need to educate themselves and think about what they are actually saying

arista 28-10-2021 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11107685)
Courtney Stodden vibes


She is 27, though

GoldHeart 28-10-2021 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11107686)
people call out other forms of discrimination on this forum at the drop of a hat, but ageism has been rampant for a long time. I'm not getting at anyone on this thread, but ageism is real and people need to educate themselves and think about what they are actually saying


Why do you keep calling it 'ageism' ? , when people have given valid reasons for their opinions. Especially when some people on this forum have children.

Like I said it's not illegal but it's still weird , you can't change that .

Mystic Mock 28-10-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11107630)
It's pretty creepy, legal or not

It's definitely weird.:laugh:

Mystic Mock 28-10-2021 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11107670)
this is an incredibly discriminatory viewpoint. Why is it more of an issue when marriage is involved vs not being married. At what point is a friendship between a younger and older person problematic. Should older people never associate with younger people in fear of being called an old perv?

People find friendships and love in the most unlikely settings, and I think it's very wrong to say something is wrong just because their is an age gap, particularly if it is perfectly legal. The only way we move forward as a society is if we understand different peoples viewpoints and outlawing relationships between young and old is only going to increase divisions and lack of understanding

While I personally find it weird, I do like this viewpoint.

bots 28-10-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11107689)
Why do you keep calling it 'ageism' ? , when people have given valid reasons for their opinions. Especially when some people on this forum have children.

Like I said it's not illegal but it's still weird , you can't change that .

substitute "50 year old man" for any other discriminated group and see how long it would be before there was outrage

It is against the law to discriminate against someone purely on the basis of age. The point being that not only is it legal for a man to marry anyone of legal age, it is illegal to say he can't

thesheriff443 28-10-2021 05:30 PM

I agree with bitontheside

I’d rather two people of different ages be happy than two people of the same age and the guy hitting and controlling his girlfriend

Liam- 28-10-2021 05:34 PM

Someone’s age doesn’t make them a creep if they get into a relationship with someone of the legal age, is it normal? No, is it for everybody? No, does it hurt anybody as long as both parties are legal and consenting? No.

I have a feeling people wouldn’t be so judgey if the subject was about an older woman tbh, older woman with younger partners are seen as some sort of liberated goddesses, enjoying their life, while older men are seen as perverts for even finding younger women attractive, it’s a blindingly obvious double standard

Crimson Dynamo 28-10-2021 05:36 PM

Ask any parent of an 18 years old boy or girl

How would you like your son and daughter to go out with a 50 year old?


100% answer the same

is all the point being made is

thesheriff443 28-10-2021 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11107706)
Ask any parent of an 18 years old boy or girl

How would you like your son and daughter to go out with a 50 year old?


100% answer the same

is all the point being made is

As parents you don’t get to choose who your son or daughter has a relationship with


I know some coutures have an arranged marriage which I see as far more a messed up relationship

Elliot 28-10-2021 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11107680)
it is still discriminatory. If you are outlawing something purely on the basis of age, it is ageist, plain and simple.

People could change 18 year old to 16 year old or 14 year old and make the same argument. Why even go there?

bots 28-10-2021 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 11107734)
People could change 18 year old to 16 year old or 14 year old and make the same argument. Why even go there?

it's not something i am making up, it's the law of the land, something that the majority of people on this forum don't seem to have grasped. Very disappointing

Niamh. 28-10-2021 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11107703)
Someone’s age doesn’t make them a creep if they get into a relationship with someone of the legal age, is it normal? No, is it for everybody? No, does it hurt anybody as long as both parties are legal and consenting? No.

I have a feeling people wouldn’t be so judgey if the subject was about an older woman tbh, older woman with younger partners are seen as some sort of liberated goddesses, enjoying their life, while older men are seen as perverts for even finding younger women attractive, it’s a blindingly obvious double standard

I'd find it just as creepy actually

Crimson Dynamo 28-10-2021 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11107739)
I'd find it just as creepy actually

yep

and i would hope all members do

user104658 28-10-2021 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11107670)
this is an incredibly discriminatory viewpoint. Why is it more of an issue when marriage is involved vs not being married. At what point is a friendship between a younger and older person problematic. Should older people never associate with younger people in fear of being called an old perv?

People find friendships and love in the most unlikely settings, and I think it's very wrong to say something is wrong just because their is an age gap, particularly if it is perfectly legal. The only way we move forward as a society is if we understand different peoples viewpoints and outlawing relationships between young and old is only going to increase divisions and lack of understanding


It’s not about the age of the older partner, nor is it about the size of the gap, it’s purely about the age of the younger partner.

If a 30 year old woman wants to marry a 70 year old man - for whatever reason - then while I’d find that unusual it’s not “creepy” and nor would it be strange for them to have things in common.

That’s a 40 year age gap.

If a 45 year old man is hooking up with 18 year old girls then yes it is massively questionable and creepy.

That’s a 27 year age gap. A full 13 years less than the above example - and yet, a totally different scenario.

user104658 28-10-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11107703)

I have a feeling people wouldn’t be so judgey if the subject was about an older woman tbh, older woman with younger partners are seen as some sort of liberated goddesses, enjoying their life, while older men are seen as perverts for even finding younger women attractive, it’s a blindingly obvious double standard



Much older women with boys in their late teens and early 20’s are not seen as “liberated goddesses” they’re plastered across the front page of The Star as a joke. What world are you living in? The plot of a zesty television serial?

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11107737)
it's not something i am making up, it's the law of the land, something that the majority of people on this forum don't seem to have grasped. Very disappointing.

This idea that legality = morality comes up quite frequently on this forum. Where are people getting that idea? They barely intersect and when they do it’s happenstance not by design.

Also the idea that it’s “illegal” to find large age gaps with a very young younger partner to be creepy is a bit out there :joker:. I assume you know it’s not illegal and are just ranting.

bots 28-10-2021 08:34 PM

i am making the point of the agism that exists on this forum. If I had made the same comment about an ethnic minority, i would have been hounded off the forum

Beso 29-10-2021 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11107751)
Much older women with boys in their late teens and early 20’s are not seen as “liberated goddesses” they’re plastered across the front page of The Star as a joke. What world are you living in? The plot of a zesty television serial?



This idea that legality = morality comes up quite frequently on this forum. Where are people getting that idea? They barely intersect and when they do it’s happenstance not by design.

Also the idea that it’s “illegal” to find large age gaps with a very young younger partner to be creepy is a bit out there :joker:. I assume you know it’s not illegal and are just ranting.



Do you have any links for the front page splashes where a 40 plus woman has been sleeping with an 18 yr old?

Niamh. 29-10-2021 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11107748)
It’s not about the age of the older partner, nor is it about the size of the gap, it’s purely about the age of the younger partner.

If a 30 year old woman wants to marry a 70 year old man - for whatever reason - then while I’d find that unusual it’s not “creepy” and nor would it be strange for them to have things in common.

That’s a 40 year age gap.

If a 45 year old man is hooking up with 18 year old girls then yes it is massively questionable and creepy.

That’s a 27 year age gap. A full 13 years less than the above example - and yet, a totally different scenario.

Exactly. An 18 year old is a teenager, still a child in a lot of ways, especially emotionally. Like I said my daughter was still in school at that age (your College is just the last 2 years of secondary school here) My son is 17 and he will still be in school at 18, if he came home with a 50 year old woman I would be very angry with that woman and seriously questioning her interest in -imo- a child. I would not be happy about that.

Of course I'd still have a lot of concerns about it if he were 30 and came home with a 62 year old such as him being able to have children, would he end up being a carer at a young age etc but not concerns that he was being taking advantage of or not emotionally capable for the relationship. There's a huge difference between the two even though the age gap would be the same

bots 29-10-2021 08:17 AM

People are really not understanding the issue here. This is out and out age discrimination. In the same way that you can't say an entire ethnic group are rapists or murders, you cannot say all people over a certain age are creepy perverts. Suggesting that an older person cannot be friends with someone younger is not only criminally insulting to that demographic it quite frankly an obscene restriction on the freedoms of what an older person can or cannot do.

That is my last words in this thread, but, honestly, i expected better

thesheriff443 29-10-2021 08:46 AM

@niamh and toy soldier

What would your reaction be if your daughters do bring and older man home?

You can’t stop them from seeing an older person if that’s what they choose

Why is ok for you to call and 18 year old a child and yet at that age they can join the army and be killed.

Niamh. 29-10-2021 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11107794)
@niamh and toy soldier

What would your reaction be if your daughters do bring and older man home?

You can’t stop them from seeing an older person if that’s what they choose

Why is ok for you to call and 18 year old a child and yet at that age they can join the army and be killed.

My 17 (nearly 18 year old) is still very much a child to me. I wouldn't want him to join the Army either so not sure what your point there is? I already said up thread at least twice what my reaction would be

thesheriff443 29-10-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11107795)
My 17 (nearly 18 year old) is still very much a child to me. I wouldn't want him to join the Army either so not sure what your point there is? I already said up thread at least twice what my reaction would be

My point is not all 18 year olds are the same or classed as children
I haven’t read every post but at the end of the day it’s not the parents that get to say who their offspring choose to date.

GoldHeart 29-10-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11107703)
Someone’s age doesn’t make them a creep if they get into a relationship with someone of the legal age, is it normal? No, is it for everybody? No, does it hurt anybody as long as both parties are legal and consenting? No.

I have a feeling people wouldn’t be so judgey if the subject was about an older woman tbh, older woman with younger partners are seen as some sort of liberated goddesses, enjoying their life, while older men are seen as perverts for even finding younger women attractive, it’s a blindingly obvious double standard

It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, it's still a big age gap and still weird. But as I said each to their own if it's a genuine relationship.

I know what you're saying though ,and sometimes there is a double standard and the guy is called a " creep " and usually the woman is seen as a "cougar" and it's laughed about . But some older women still get judged for dating younger men anyway .

Imo an 18 year old is still young and immature , they're usually naive. Can any of us say we had the same level of maturity when we were 18 ? as we do now ?. Obviously I know everyone is different though.


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