Out of the two it would have to be Rishi for me.

No to Rishi the backstabber for me.
So if I had to chose, then Truss I suppose. Give her a chance.
I wanted Kemi.

Fair Point

Young 19 Rebal Liz Truss
as a LibDem

Newsnight BBC Clip.


Now a Reformed Conservative

Dumb or Dumber you mean?

Both are a total disaster.

they are only a disaster to non conservatives, and lets face it, this forum isn't noted for it's tory support. Having thought about it a bit, i think it will be business as usual by October/November with a GE next summer and onward from there

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07...8358955629.jpg
1994 :Young Liz

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07...8350358982.jpg

Liz Truss this week.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Monarchy.html

Liz Truss has gone live on GBnewsHD


She Loves 1980's music



Liz has 2 years
to sort out our Economy

Nah, sorry that's way too general a comment.

My family were much more Con voters in the past.
I leaned to them until I was 20 then found my more socialist beliefs.

However there are still family who have remained strongly Con.
Mainly Cousins.

3 of whom live with their immediate families in the Southampton area in a Con seat.
Romsey and Southampton North.

ALL of them wanted a cleaner start and are dismayed at these 2 left now.
They hold both of these in part responsible for Johnson's disastrous PM period.

I'm sure they are far from the only Con supporters normally, who feel that way too.

They've already now decided that they will be voting Lib Dem in whenever the next election does come.
Seeing these 2 only of enablers of blatant abuses of power by Johnson.

These 3 have never voted anything else but Con in elections.
So while it's only 3, I accept. ( known so far).
I'd guess a lot more families are thinking on those lines too.

So it's not at all only NON Cons who see these 2 and this leadership contest as a disaster at all.

For myself, I'll cheer these new votes to the Lib Dems in that particular seat.
I'd hope more and more Con voters follow too.
Plus to Labour voters there, I'd hope they back the Lib Dems there too.
Help wrench that seat away from the Cons.

Which I think will happen in hoards of other seats too.

the problem is that the lib dems are not credible. So while some folk may use them as a protest vote, battle lines will again be formed between labour and the tories and then all bets are off. I think it will be a more balanced parliament come the next election, but i certainly think it's unlikely in the medium term that the tories will be slaughtered at an election

The Budget
is Essential to sort
out this nation
Energy Danger Bills (Well Overpriced)


Joey even is you hate her
she is going to help us


[Liz Truss launches stinging attack on
Rishi Sunak's 'wrong direction' economic record
and vows to hold emergency tax-cut budget,
build 'aspiration nation' and defend
'our country, history and values'
in manifesto to become next PM


the Tory Leadership hopeful who could
be the third female PM writes in the Mail
Truss tells of her desire to build
'aspirational nation' as she vies with Sunak
She also attacked the former chancellor
on 'highest' tax burden in 70 years
And pledged to cut taxes immediately
to help cost-of-living and business
While also saying she was the best person
the beat the Labour leader in Election]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-country.html

I'd sooner have literally anyone else from the final five than either of those two.

Living for a long time does make people look older. Shocker.

This is spot on.

A cut of income tax for likely myself and others is fine on paper.

However it's strongly accepted that borrowing as she will it seems have to do, in order to enact her tax cutting.
That will much more than likely increase inflation.

Rising inflation and tax cuts do nothing to help the most vulnerable and sick and disabled, who don't pay tax.

So no, her plans seem at best risky and at worst dangerous.
So she doesn't impress me one tiny bit.

I prefer being honest, Sunak intending to get inflation down and then looking at tax cuts.

The Lib Dems in 2005 and 2010 in general elections did considerable damage to the Cons.
Winning 62 and 57 seats in those elections.
Unfortunately they then used the votes won from those seat gains from the Cons, to put them back in anyway.

Cons will hope that all Con voters will just now accept these 2 enablers of wrongdoing in government.
All Con voters not still horrified at the scandals and deceit and lies and these 2 covering it up too publicly.

I've no doubt around 30%+ of voters are going to stick with ANY Con leader and party.

I'm not bothered about the Cons being slaughtered at the next election.
All I want and hope for is THEM turfed OUT.
With every other party elected to Westminster, ( apart from the pathetic DUP), if it's needed to ensure they are OUT.

"A cut of income tax"

A Cut on Energy bills
is the better action

I don't think we can reliably predict what truss will do in any given situation, Sunak will be much more predictable. So, what it will come down to is do people prefer stability or unpredictability

Briefcase Wanker.

Some Snotty Local Conservative Women
(Maidstone Conservative Association)
cannot decide who she wants
and wants to wait for the 12 Hustings,
She is Angry, so many can vote early.

BBC2HD Politics Live (Final live show) on a holiday


Showing how the Local Conservatives are a pain in the ass

i would imagine most have already decided who they want

That speech was a disasterclass but it was also 8 years ago. She can still be very awkward but has improved since then as well. She'd probably do well to embrace that side of her like May did in the end with her dancing etc. which actually ended up making her a lot more popular

i actually can't stand the way Rishi communicates with the hand gestures. He has obviously been on a course, it looks completely unnatural to me

They're as bad as eachother, and I'm sure we'll see just how awful Liz really is.