Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11273291)

You can't define it sincerely but I still maintain that it's still easily explainable when used with a sense of irony; "woke stuff" is unauthentic, pointed feeling, performative representation with an agenda other than just creating good media and good stories. "Wokeness" isn't in the content, it's in the intention and the execution.

I'd even add the caveat that if the execution is good enough and the writing is on point, it can compensate for clear political intent. When it's written by the unpaid intern at Netflix with an assumption that it'll get by purely by appealing to a certain demographic ... not so much.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11273295)

How do you translate that to the current SVB banking crisis, which is also being blamed on "woke banks" or "wokeness?"

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11273355)

For them or for me? I obviously know it has nothing to do with it. I translate it for people like the horrible weaselly chap in LT's video as what it is: "dim culture wars stuff". A term that's thrown around by people who just want to have something to say.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11273385)

And that's the inherent problem with the word being thrown around. I think you're right, in that it actually has relevance when discussing issues like forced programming quotas and diversity. I'm comfortable saying that neither of us are talking about anything with a black person or a woman as the star.

When it becomes a descriptor, for things weirdo's don't agree with, then it's no more than propaganda. I honestly wish there were as many hard left people on TV or hosting footie programmes as the thicko's suggest; society would be a lot fairer imo.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11273387)

do you mean like the way the left throw around bigot, fascist and nazi?

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11273389)

The problem here, LT, is that you've started a conversation that I'd be prepared to have with you, but unfortunately if I reply, you'll run off to find a piers morgen video instead of a giving us your own reply, so I can't treat you like an adult in any discussion, ever :shrug:

Lineker is the epitome of a centrist, for the record.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11273392)

google translate; "yep LT is right"

away and obfuscate to TS and spend all night marveling at your tldr replies to each other

because we all know that is the end game

and then take 4 months off

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Tom4784 (Post 11273413)

Anyone that cries about things being woke is a moron, I've yet to encounter anyone that can challenge that view.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11273291)

You can't define it sincerely but I still maintain that it's still easily explainable when used with a sense of irony; "woke stuff" is unauthentic, pointed feeling, performative representation with an agenda other than just creating good media and good stories. "Wokeness" isn't in the content, it's in the intention and the execution.

I'd even add the caveat that if the execution is good enough and the writing is on point, it can compensate for clear political intent. When it's written by the unpaid intern at Netflix with an assumption that it'll get by purely by appealing to a certain demographic ... not so much.